I'm going to DUBAI for a Job Hunt

[Mile High Nutcase]

Dear All

I am a Flight Instructor in the UK with over 2000hrs. Myself and a couple of colleagues have decided to come over to Dubai for a job hunt.
The plan is to visit as many head offices of airlines, Bizjet Operators, and flying schools over a three day period in and around Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Al Ain and RAK.

We are not type rated but happy to pay for a rating if there is a job at the end of it.

The reason for this post is so that I can make a list of people to visit and make appointments with beforehand. I am after contact details of recruitment managers, Chief Pilots, Operations Managers. Anyone who is the right person for Pilot recruitment.

Please PM me with details or post in this thread.
Thanks in advance

MHN

[The Outlaw]

Why not offer to pay for your endorsement and fly for free for a year while you're at it?

Hell....be on call 24/7 and live in the hangar...maybe even pay for some fuel?

You are the are the poster boy for all that is wrong with aviation today.

[Likeitis]

Good way to start your career as a PFTer. Maybe you should just wait for a picket line you can cross. That will put you in a big shiny jet pronto.

[spanishfly69]

Outlaw. Great post. You are so right. May be he is willing to work as a Cabin Crew on his off day.

[Mile High Nutcase]

Why not read the original post before you start going on about pay to fly...

I'm going out there to SEARCH for jobs not BUY one.

Happy to pay for the cost of type rating as long as there is bonded job at the end of it. Where did I say I want to buy hours??

If you have useful information for me, I'd be most grateful.

thank you

[Likeitis]

Paying for your training(type) is the responsibility of the employer. When your ilk buy your job which is essentially what your doing you degrade the profession. Earn your job like thousands before you and don't take the easy way out by buying your job and therefore degrading an already degraded profession.

[The Outlaw]

Mile High Butt Case...


We are not type rated but happy to pay for a rating if there is a job at the end of it.

What part of "I'm not buying a job" am I missing? I thought I had a pretty good grasp on English but I'm pretty sure "Happy to pay for a rating if there is a job at the end of it" means just that.

Being from the UK, I would have expected better comprehension than that.

Stay in the UK and sniff out Ryanair....you're just the type they want.

[cactus98]

To those that responded....your thoughts on, for instance, Southwest Airlines? At least these gents are willing to get off their butts and network.

[flaphandlemover]

Guys, i think i know how you feel and what you are trying to achieve...

let me give you my 2 cents.

You will not get a job with any of the big ones here. So what you are doing is putting you in a position where it will be very easy to be ripped off.. especially here in the Middle East...

why don't you travel Europe and ask those outfits for a job?

Many outfits are run by crooks and you are a welcome target to be ripped off with lots of empty promises...

Mind me asking why not trying to get a job at Ryanair? O L is the f that killed the industry, but at least get some hours and move on...

Stay clear of the middle east.... lots of sun and easy to burn your wings....



Good luck...

[The Outlaw]

Flap Handle

Which OL are you referring to? Just curious about your point above.

I hope you don't assume that I worked for Ryanair, that would just be plain stupid.

[Calmcavok]

I thought expats needed a full ATPL in the UAE? Don't think you'll have much luck with a CPL/IR

[Vortac1]

I was also under the impression that you needed a full ATP certificate from your country in order to "tag" the local UAE ATP and the Type rating to it.

I've been wrong before tho...

[GoreTex]

2000 hrs and still a flight instructor? hmmmm, don't waste your time and coming over here

[Airmann]

You'd have better luck in Africa, you've got the wrong impression about how things work in the ME. There are no walk in interviews unless you want to the cleaning boy for the local shawarma shop and get paid £150 a month, no benefits, increases or promotions for as long as you live.

[120feet]

Wasting your time.

Perhaps there are jobs flying 1900s in the Kingdom of Saud. I can say you are wasting your time looking in the UAE. I agree, Africa is your best bet, or RYAN air. It appears you have the mental attitude for either.

[Airmann]

Mile High, I just want to clarify that I think that your idea is good, you are taking the initiative. Don't be put off by the flack you are getting here. I just want to clarify that my criticism is of the ME and not you, the culture or lack of it over here means that you'll be facing too many hurdles, the least if which are the bobble heads will not be able to understand how someone could have the initiative to travel to Dubai themselves and ask for a job in person. You'll get a typical "computer says no" type answer here, because that's the way it works, very few people are high up enough to authorise your appointment. And as many have said you must have a (Frozen) ATPL, and that's the local CAA regulation, so even if your friend or father, or brothers tennis partner is the CEO or something of an air operator it doesn't mean a thing without a (Frozen) ATPL (if your friend or father or brothers tennis partner is the ruler of an emirate or a close family member then you might have a chance with a CPL/IR)

[Old King Coal]

MHN: Your enthusiasm is admirable BUT, (imho) I too concur with the sentiments expressed here by others, that you're laying yourself wide-open to have your enthusiasm thoroughly abused & trashed by the many charlatans that seem to populate the senior positions at various airlines down here,... to say nothing of the middle management types (as described by Airmann) whom simply won't understand why you've turned-up on the door step without an invitation.

I might also add that I suspect that, charlatans aside, one problem you would face is that the UAE GCAA will not give you a 'validation' against your UK / EU license (for an airline job), unless you 1) hold at an ATPL, and 2) you have a reasonable amount of time on a respectably large Public Transport turbo-prop or turbo-jet. Any shortcoming in either of those and you won't even get past the doorman of those said same airlines, because no matter how much they might like you, the UAE's CGAA will not license you, and for the airline that'd be a showstopper.

Now I'm not saying it's impossible... but it's certainly not going to be easy and caveat venditor!

[Praise Jebus]

When I interviewed for EK several moons ago, there was a guy hanging around looking for a walk up interview. He let recruiting know he was in town for two weeks. A slot opened up and they called him in, didn't get the gig but he won't die wondering. MNH doesn't have the experience for EK but my point is you never know what happens if you take the chance, make your own luck. Having said that, paying for your rating is not so cool....

[ironbutt57]

Quite strange it's acceptable to most to pay for an advanced university degree...say an MBA so they can be promoted into management...(quite common), but paying for a type rating to extricate one's self from the piston/turboprop ghetto is extremely unacceptable....paying for one's line training/ hours...yes not good because the employer is realising revenues while the traininee is paying in as all....but a type rating?...debateable

[Desdihold]

Ryanair Cancer

This profession started down a slippery slope the day pilots starting paying for their specific training ie type rating to gain a job.
The boys at Ryanair not only pay for their rating but they also pay for their PPCs and for their upgrade courses..... I believe they also pay for their Instructor courses.

These people have really cheapened the profession and we are all starting to pay for the cancer they have spread.

Signed
an EK pilot.