How many duty hours did you actually do at EK in 2013?
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How many duty hours did you actually do at EK in 2013?
Just added up my hours for 2013....and the results surprised me.
Adding flying, sim duties, and all the non-credit hours such as RTGS, PPC, CRM, SEP, my total was almost 1,100 hours.
What a slippery slope we're on....we used to get paid for everything within 76 hours a month. Then the goalposts moved to 92 hours, but at least we got "roster credit" for those non-paid duties such as leave and CRM/SEP/PPC within the 92 hours. Now the non-paid duties get plonked on top of the 92 hours..recently I've done a couple of 110 hour months with 92 hours pay credit.
3 weeks leave in a month generally means 40+ hours in the week you are at work. I'm just waiting for the decree that office managers have to do one 80 hour week when they have 3 weeks leave.
And they're wondering why so many people are leaving or planning to leave?
Adding flying, sim duties, and all the non-credit hours such as RTGS, PPC, CRM, SEP, my total was almost 1,100 hours.
What a slippery slope we're on....we used to get paid for everything within 76 hours a month. Then the goalposts moved to 92 hours, but at least we got "roster credit" for those non-paid duties such as leave and CRM/SEP/PPC within the 92 hours. Now the non-paid duties get plonked on top of the 92 hours..recently I've done a couple of 110 hour months with 92 hours pay credit.
3 weeks leave in a month generally means 40+ hours in the week you are at work. I'm just waiting for the decree that office managers have to do one 80 hour week when they have 3 weeks leave.
And they're wondering why so many people are leaving or planning to leave?
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Kamelchaser, don't forget to add the hours you spent in Spinneys and of course driving on the SZR, oh and don't forget queueing for the cinema. It's an absolute outrage I tell ya! Down with ....eh...management, yeah management!
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How many block hours does LCC pilots do in Europe doing 5/5 and4/4 4 sector days compared to their actual flying hours and what is their pay based on . Also do they get paid credit for sim and other ground school events. Uk based LCC, what are you leaving home to ensure you arrive at the airport in time?
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A touch off topic and random vfenext?....SEP, CRM, PPC blah blah blah = work and all counting towards fatigue.
Spinnies and driving on SZR doesn't have much to do with it unless I missed something?
Spinnies and driving on SZR doesn't have much to do with it unless I missed something?
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A touch off topic and random vfenext?....SEP, CRM, PPC blah blah blah = work and all counting towards fatigue.
Spinnies and driving on SZR doesn't have much to do with it unless I missed something?
Spinnies and driving on SZR doesn't have much to do with it unless I missed something?
That is where the industry goes. Even so called flag carriers/majors do the same. If you find a better place, move on and let me know (PM
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The pilots are leaving and one can surmise that the company is a little worried.
Almost 150 pilots left in 2013 with about 75 pilot resignations in at the present time.
Our only hope is that more Ryan Air pilots don't come but they think EK is a good job. They probably think this way because they paid for their training.
Almost 150 pilots left in 2013 with about 75 pilot resignations in at the present time.
Our only hope is that more Ryan Air pilots don't come but they think EK is a good job. They probably think this way because they paid for their training.
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Almost 150 pilots left in 2013 with about 75 pilot resignations in at the present time
That means according to you that 110 have left ahead of me and 40 behind me.
In the meantime however the company has grown from the time I joined, by 800+ or so pilots.
Can't see why EK would be worried. Not all were Ryanair I m sure.
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I've done approaching 1400 duty hours in the last year for a LCC in EU on a fixed roster pattern. So SEP and Sims etc take away from a flying duty rather than in addition.
This has been a very slow year! <750 block, 350 sectors.
All we hear is complaints of 90+ hrs a month! Would be nice to know what in reality you guys are doing a year.
This has been a very slow year! <750 block, 350 sectors.
All we hear is complaints of 90+ hrs a month! Would be nice to know what in reality you guys are doing a year.
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Calendar year 2012 - 934 block hours.
Calendar year 2013 - 886 block hours.
My lesser hours in 2013 is a consequence of a policy quietly introduced sometime in 2013 of not paying any overtime (productivity). Rosters are manipulated to ensure that the productivity threshold of 92 hours/31 days is not exceeded. The consequence of this is rosters that have little resemblance to what is bid for i.e. going east when bidding for west and so on...
Calendar year 2013 - 886 block hours.
My lesser hours in 2013 is a consequence of a policy quietly introduced sometime in 2013 of not paying any overtime (productivity). Rosters are manipulated to ensure that the productivity threshold of 92 hours/31 days is not exceeded. The consequence of this is rosters that have little resemblance to what is bid for i.e. going east when bidding for west and so on...
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2013- 837 block hours (including a period of weeks off due to sickness)
- 1114 duty hours, which includes sim but NOT ground school, nor RESERVE, ground school or any other days.
So LCC hours but with ULR, time zones and almost a third of the time at night.
PS. gotta love Logten Pro
- 1114 duty hours, which includes sim but NOT ground school, nor RESERVE, ground school or any other days.
So LCC hours but with ULR, time zones and almost a third of the time at night.
PS. gotta love Logten Pro
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410 block hours and 1,100 duty hours.
Europe charter/scheduled Boeing.
But then I did take 5 months paid winter leave which is offered every year. Almost half the pay of ME carriers and no where near the same sunshine mind.
Europe charter/scheduled Boeing.
But then I did take 5 months paid winter leave which is offered every year. Almost half the pay of ME carriers and no where near the same sunshine mind.
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Garden shed, it is a given that we will be flying 90 hours every month but it would be nice if now and again we could do an extra one or two hours a month and get some overtime for it. We are getting all of the disadvantages of being rostered to the overtime limit but none of the benefits.
The rigidity of the overtime limit makes swapping almost impossible as everybody is right up to max hours and the company will not allow even one minute of overtime. Last month I tried to do a swap which would have added 20 minutes to my rostered block hours. Refused as it would have given me 10 minutes of overtime. This month I have a huge 5 minutes spare!
The rigidity of the overtime limit makes swapping almost impossible as everybody is right up to max hours and the company will not allow even one minute of overtime. Last month I tried to do a swap which would have added 20 minutes to my rostered block hours. Refused as it would have given me 10 minutes of overtime. This month I have a huge 5 minutes spare!
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It'd be nice if the option were there for pilots to waive overtime payment when they are performing a mutual swap, for the sake of losing 30 minutes overtime, I would rather the mutually beneficial roster.
I think these rumours of a mass of people leaving EK and the company being concerned are completely false, during recurrent groundschool recently HR stated that attrition is stable and as AMEX said, seniority movements also reflect this.
I think these rumours of a mass of people leaving EK and the company being concerned are completely false, during recurrent groundschool recently HR stated that attrition is stable and as AMEX said, seniority movements also reflect this.