EK 777 & Hawk near miss off 12R - preliminary report out
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EK 777 & Hawk near miss off 12R - preliminary report out
Sounds like a close shave -
An Emirates Boeing 777-300, registration A6-EBD performing flight EK-123 from Dubai (United Arab Emirates) to Istanbul (Turkey) with 414 passengers and 17 crew, was in the initial climb through 500 feet out of Dubai's runway 12R in clear skies and daylight, when a United Arab Emirates Hawk fighter jet, not in contact with Dubai however transponding Mode-C, was about to cross the extended runway center line of runway 12R at 600 feet AGL and 353 knots over ground. The Boeing crew, who received a TCAS Traffic Advisory but were unable to visually locate the other aircraft, as well as ATC had no time to react, the fighter pilot however flew a hard left turn avoiding a collision but not without the separation reducing to 100 feet vertical and 0.3nm horizontal. The United Arab Emirates Civil Aviation Authority reported only 3.5 seconds separated the aircraft from collision.
United Arab Emirates' Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) released their preliminary report stating, that the fighter pilot departing Dubai's Minhad Airbase flying north had already busted the airspaces of Dubai Al Maktoum Airport and Dubai International Airport without making contact with either airport control frequencies. The aircraft however was in contact with Dubai Approach Control Unit Al Minhad sector, operating from Dubai's Al Maktoum Airport. Sporadic radar contacts suggested that the Hawk was transponding Mode-C.
77 seconds prior to the near collision the Hawk crew requested clearance to climb to 2000 feet to cross Dubai International Airport from Al Minhad sector, the controller declined and advised the crew needed to contact Dubai International Airport tower at the tower frequency providing the frequency for the tower controlling runway 12L, not 12R. 11 seconds prior to near collision the Hawk crew attempted to contact that frequency.
The tower controller working 12R and the Boeing 777 noticed the fast moving target at 500 feet moving north just after the rotation of the Boeing 777 and issued a traffic alert to the Boeing, however, no avoidance action was possible due to phase of flight and the closure speed in excess of 350 knots.
Following the avoidance maneouver the Hawk crew established contact with Dubai International Airport's tower and advised they were now returning to Al Minhad Airbase, the aircraft was seen moving in a southerly direction afterwards.
The GCAA reported that the Boeing 777-300 was fitted with a TCAS 7.1, retrieval of data stored in the TCAS memory confirmed the crew's report of a TCAS traffic advisory, a resolution advisory was still inhibited as the aircraft had not yet reached TCAS operating height.
The GCAA rated the occurrence a serious incident involving a serious risk of a collision.
United Arab Emirates' Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) released their preliminary report stating, that the fighter pilot departing Dubai's Minhad Airbase flying north had already busted the airspaces of Dubai Al Maktoum Airport and Dubai International Airport without making contact with either airport control frequencies. The aircraft however was in contact with Dubai Approach Control Unit Al Minhad sector, operating from Dubai's Al Maktoum Airport. Sporadic radar contacts suggested that the Hawk was transponding Mode-C.
77 seconds prior to the near collision the Hawk crew requested clearance to climb to 2000 feet to cross Dubai International Airport from Al Minhad sector, the controller declined and advised the crew needed to contact Dubai International Airport tower at the tower frequency providing the frequency for the tower controlling runway 12L, not 12R. 11 seconds prior to near collision the Hawk crew attempted to contact that frequency.
The tower controller working 12R and the Boeing 777 noticed the fast moving target at 500 feet moving north just after the rotation of the Boeing 777 and issued a traffic alert to the Boeing, however, no avoidance action was possible due to phase of flight and the closure speed in excess of 350 knots.
Following the avoidance maneouver the Hawk crew established contact with Dubai International Airport's tower and advised they were now returning to Al Minhad Airbase, the aircraft was seen moving in a southerly direction afterwards.
The GCAA reported that the Boeing 777-300 was fitted with a TCAS 7.1, retrieval of data stored in the TCAS memory confirmed the crew's report of a TCAS traffic advisory, a resolution advisory was still inhibited as the aircraft had not yet reached TCAS operating height.
The GCAA rated the occurrence a serious incident involving a serious risk of a collision.
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Hmmm first solo? maybe first solo low level....probably planned his route to use the Safa intersection as a turning point or IP.
If not solo, an interesting debrief would await especially if there was an instructor in the backseat
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Now..wheres' that rug and broom?
If not solo, an interesting debrief would await especially if there was an instructor in the backseat
..Now..wheres' that rug and broom?
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Texting his Habibi!...LOL Bingo JAARule
Bang on target JAARule
Texting his Habibi, and i'm sure he had his Blackberry PIN Number On the rear of his canopy!
Any word on the crew that was flying the EK?.
Texting his Habibi, and i'm sure he had his Blackberry PIN Number On the rear of his canopy!
Any word on the crew that was flying the EK?.
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LOL JAARule
He was on his mobile phone texting habibi. It was the 777's fault... if the expat hadn't been in "his" country, the local wouldn't have nearly hit him.
JAARule, i still cant quit sniggering at your comment!.
Mann, you HAVE figured that place out!
JAARule, i still cant quit sniggering at your comment!.
Mann, you HAVE figured that place out!
Does anyone have more details about another very dangerous near miss that occured 4th June with a 747 of iran's Mahan Air and an F18 @ Bahrain FIR around 16:30Z?
Its a little bit strange cause this incident was "started" in some aviation foruns, and suddenly all of them disappeared..
Its a little bit strange cause this incident was "started" in some aviation foruns, and suddenly all of them disappeared..
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F18 And the Iran Air
Janet, there was something about it, if i recall on flightglobal(?) or was it that american pilot exchange forum. if i'm not mistaken, wasn't that played up due to the F18 getting into iranian airspace without prior PPR/ADIZclearence; the Iran Air who visual with the Hornet called it an air miss?
This was around Mid May or something; and it was finally released on 4th june as a report correct?.
or was that some other incident?.
This was around Mid May or something; and it was finally released on 4th june as a report correct?.
or was that some other incident?.
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Different incidents.
The threads were deleted because the idiot starting them was obviously very close to the action and was posting people's names AND phone numbers.
The threads were deleted because the idiot starting them was obviously very close to the action and was posting people's names AND phone numbers.
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[QUOTE]First solo Navex perhaps?/QUOTE]
Not at all.
As I remember, this was one of a number of trainees flying "special missions" on the day in question. As such, certainly not a "first solo navex", although the standard of airmanship / general competence demonstrated would appear to be similar to many of those flying from an airbase somewhere between DXB and JXB!
Not at all.
As I remember, this was one of a number of trainees flying "special missions" on the day in question. As such, certainly not a "first solo navex", although the standard of airmanship / general competence demonstrated would appear to be similar to many of those flying from an airbase somewhere between DXB and JXB!
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@SyB
I have spent about 40 mins going through the AV Herald website, but can't seem to find an entry on this incident.
I know my eyes are bad now... so maybe I missed it. But for the sake of my eyesight, can you kindly post a link to the relevant entry on Simon's great website..?
Thanks!
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Edit... Found it..!! Thanks!
I have spent about 40 mins going through the AV Herald website, but can't seem to find an entry on this incident.
I know my eyes are bad now... so maybe I missed it. But for the sake of my eyesight, can you kindly post a link to the relevant entry on Simon's great website..?
Thanks!
*****
Edit... Found it..!! Thanks!
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