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this "Brittania still rules the waves" thing has been going on for years.
on arrival, and departure.
one of the ways around this shameless, and totally unprofessional conduct, is to request for your sequence. this may prevent more come alongs pushed in front of you as they appear.
they seem to have a "treatment index," one for the Brits, then the yanks, followed by the "friendly Europeans." ( scratch the Southern and Eastern ones,) and then the brownies.
you'll notice the number of guys jumping at you on this thread. but NO ONE
denies it
on arrival, and departure.
one of the ways around this shameless, and totally unprofessional conduct, is to request for your sequence. this may prevent more come alongs pushed in front of you as they appear.
they seem to have a "treatment index," one for the Brits, then the yanks, followed by the "friendly Europeans." ( scratch the Southern and Eastern ones,) and then the brownies.
you'll notice the number of guys jumping at you on this thread. but NO ONE
denies it
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Slots!.
and for the record, slots are given and allocated.
Ground and clearence clearly stated our departure not, and sequence, so no problem there.
We were 2nd in the arrival sequence, and were not stupid, i monitored what was going on and i know who got in before us.
So lets cut to the chase, yes, you have slots but LHR does not keep them. A friggen Air India gets expedited taxi and crossing and were asked to pussy foot around the airport.
Our taxi time yesterday was 30 minutes!. does ground deal with a slots as well?!.!.... Get a life guys, facts are facts, i got the most inappropriate taxi routing and i know what i went though.
Ground and clearence clearly stated our departure not, and sequence, so no problem there.
We were 2nd in the arrival sequence, and were not stupid, i monitored what was going on and i know who got in before us.
So lets cut to the chase, yes, you have slots but LHR does not keep them. A friggen Air India gets expedited taxi and crossing and were asked to pussy foot around the airport.
Our taxi time yesterday was 30 minutes!. does ground deal with a slots as well?!.!.... Get a life guys, facts are facts, i got the most inappropriate taxi routing and i know what i went though.
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Heathrow, interesting that you mentioned you worked for ATC, any reason why you cant coordinate with Mastrict sic for for higher or is that below your assumed dignity?; and you prefer us to meander over the English Channel to be someone else's responsibility?
But in the unlikely event you do actually fly an aircraft in/out of LHR, rather than just sit down the back, maybe next time you could check who you are talking to prior handover to Maastricht. I think you'll find you left LHR's freq's sometime back
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Retard are you Al Bakar in disguise ?
This soooo smells like a troll. If you have flown into the majority of major hubs around the world, then you will understand the complexity of airspace, the hard work our cousins in ATC do, the level of professionalism that the vast majority of UK controllers work to and the extent to which everyone into lhr and the other London airports is treated with equality. Over many years of lhr operations there have been times when there have been straight in approaches, visual approaches, a few snatches (oh yes) and considerable amounts of holding.
What a load of codswallop.
Back to shredding the tyres
This soooo smells like a troll. If you have flown into the majority of major hubs around the world, then you will understand the complexity of airspace, the hard work our cousins in ATC do, the level of professionalism that the vast majority of UK controllers work to and the extent to which everyone into lhr and the other London airports is treated with equality. Over many years of lhr operations there have been times when there have been straight in approaches, visual approaches, a few snatches (oh yes) and considerable amounts of holding.
What a load of codswallop.
Back to shredding the tyres
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The best cover up!.
THis really isn't a pissing contest on who gives prioirty to who; and from the likes of it, i'm glad you folks made it one and the message is clear.
You feel the same way about JFK?; well, i feel the same way about LHR, so that makes us even.
Fly over to Frankfurt and see how things are done there and i dont tihink they isn't anyone better than the Germans when it comes to sytematic, process driven traffic management.
In short, they know what they're doing, and clearly you dont and are to arrogant to take criticism, which really is sad.
You feel the same way about JFK?; well, i feel the same way about LHR, so that makes us even.
Fly over to Frankfurt and see how things are done there and i dont tihink they isn't anyone better than the Germans when it comes to sytematic, process driven traffic management.
In short, they know what they're doing, and clearly you dont and are to arrogant to take criticism, which really is sad.
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I really can't be bothered to read beyond the first couple of posts by Mr. Retard (there's a clue there, isn't there?).
I've spent my entire airline career to date operating from LHR. so far that's 14 years with BMA/bmi and one year with BA. So for most of my career BA has been my (friendly) rival. Additionally, my fiancee of fourteen years is a London TMA controller with NATS.
I can categorically state that BA have never, in my opinion, received preferential treatment over me, or anybody else.
I've spent my entire airline career to date operating from LHR. so far that's 14 years with BMA/bmi and one year with BA. So for most of my career BA has been my (friendly) rival. Additionally, my fiancee of fourteen years is a London TMA controller with NATS.
I can categorically state that BA have never, in my opinion, received preferential treatment over me, or anybody else.
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Nigel, yes, exactly my point, your handed over by London, the glass ceiling is 220, well atlest everytime i fly and you need to start the whole process again with MAS, which is annoying because your being spaced before another entering traffic, when i'd be happy to be at 220 entering with MAS.
Dover Dep wants you initally at 6000, not an inch above, for us it was endless till we again got vectored, busting up fuel
This conversation will never never ending.
lets agree to disagree, and keep it there.
I know several pilots who'd echo the same view on LHR.
Clearly, you guys dont friggen get it. And if you can be this ignorant, you got to be the bloody troll.
here are the stats, the most common statement made in all the friggen threads here.
1. UK is the Best ATC in the World.
2. LHR is the Best!.
3. We are the world's busiest airport!.
4. Long live the Queen!.
Get a friggen life! pop quiz, the U.K has more illegal immigrants than any country in the world, your outnumbered, live as the minority you are!.
PArdon the harshness, but i cant believe a simple 'query' gets so bloody defensive.
Dover Dep wants you initally at 6000, not an inch above, for us it was endless till we again got vectored, busting up fuel
This conversation will never never ending.
lets agree to disagree, and keep it there.
I know several pilots who'd echo the same view on LHR.
Clearly, you guys dont friggen get it. And if you can be this ignorant, you got to be the bloody troll.
here are the stats, the most common statement made in all the friggen threads here.
1. UK is the Best ATC in the World.
2. LHR is the Best!.
3. We are the world's busiest airport!.
4. Long live the Queen!.
Get a friggen life! pop quiz, the U.K has more illegal immigrants than any country in the world, your outnumbered, live as the minority you are!.
PArdon the harshness, but i cant believe a simple 'query' gets so bloody defensive.
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BA get no, repeat no, priority into Heathrow. In fact, it's a continual irritation that at every destination on our networks, local carriers get priority yet at our home base there is a painfully level playing field.
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And here it eventually comes!.
"this "Brittania still rules the waves" thing has been going on for years.
on arrival, and departure.
one of the ways around this shameless, and totally unprofessional conduct, is to request for your sequence. this may prevent more come alongs pushed in front of you as they appear.
they seem to have a "treatment index," one for the Brits, then the yanks, followed by the "friendly Europeans." ( scratch the Southern and Eastern ones,) and then the brownies.
you'll notice the number of guys jumping at you on this thread. but NO ONE
denies it"
Thanks for this!; i'll keep this in mind the next time i'm in there.
on arrival, and departure.
one of the ways around this shameless, and totally unprofessional conduct, is to request for your sequence. this may prevent more come alongs pushed in front of you as they appear.
they seem to have a "treatment index," one for the Brits, then the yanks, followed by the "friendly Europeans." ( scratch the Southern and Eastern ones,) and then the brownies.
you'll notice the number of guys jumping at you on this thread. but NO ONE
denies it"
Thanks for this!; i'll keep this in mind the next time i'm in there.
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Can we please stop the profanity. It does not make your case stronger, rather the opposite and it also reflects poorly on the person that need to resort to such poor rhetorical tools - not to mention demonstrating a surprising immaturity in a professional aviator.
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Not a discussion I want toget involved with BUT pilots who think controllers give priority to local airlines need to get a better idea about how ATC works.
I have worked at quite anumber of airports, some may even be considered a bit "third world",and at none has the local airline operator been given priority.
Giving the correct priorityto traffic is one of the most important factors when trying to achieve an efficient flow of traffic.
Sometimes these priorities maybe applied incorrectly, and this will usually be due an inexperienced controller, someone under training or maybe someone who is just not that competent.
I have worked at quite anumber of airports, some may even be considered a bit "third world",and at none has the local airline operator been given priority.
Giving the correct priorityto traffic is one of the most important factors when trying to achieve an efficient flow of traffic.
Sometimes these priorities maybe applied incorrectly, and this will usually be due an inexperienced controller, someone under training or maybe someone who is just not that competent.
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