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Thanks fatbus. Was wondering how long it would be at the the moment to get an upgrade on 380 for somebody joining the fleet now, either from within the company or as DEFO, considering still more than 50 aircraft to come.
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Difficult to say how long, but you would be behind all the F/Os already on the A380 and all the captains and F/Os on the A330/340. I think that would pretty much take care of all the upgrade slots on the A380 unless there are more orders. Still, this is Emirates and anything can happen.
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No need for B777 FOs to the A380. They would need a full course, so the logic would be to hire from the street. The B777 fleet is not a reducing fleet as the A330, so someone would have to replace these FOs. As all these B777 CA come across there should be command possibilities coming.
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So are commands done based on seniority within fleet at EK? By that I mean if I joined now would I have seniority on the A380 for a command over people 'stuck' on the A330 that moved across later?
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Don't come here based on seniority being respected.
While it is broadly followed, multiple iterations and examples whereby it is not, exist.
This is a target driven profit making entity, not much gets in the way.
While not what we want - don't complain too much - we all knew the rules on seniority --> need dependent.
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While it is broadly followed, multiple iterations and examples whereby it is not, exist.
This is a target driven profit making entity, not much gets in the way.
While not what we want - don't complain too much - we all knew the rules on seniority --> need dependent.
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I asked JA if the requirement was an insurance requirement or a completely arbitrary standard. He said it is completely arbitrary. This was shortly after he arrived. Someone up high made up the numbers because the 380 was special, like the 340 when it arrived. The reality is that the guys I know who went over from the 340 say the 380 is easier to fly.
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A captain on the A330 senior to you will be offered a A380 command before you, even if you are next on the list. Thats obvious because the planes are going. They cant just fire the guy, so a fleet transfer would be the normal thing to do. But why wonder about that at this stage. Things have a tendency to change to conform with the business requirements. Thats one of the reasons for Emirates success.
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EK 777 to 380
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Thanks for your reply...but they asked 777 Fo's for an expression of interest so I guess they will possibly need some of them too on the big bus?
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Thanks for your reply...but they asked 777 Fo's for an expression of interest so I guess they will possibly need some of them too on the big bus?
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The rumour was that the expression of interest (Capt & FO) was just to still the waters as many more wanted to go than were needed.
Having said that, they may need more next week or next decade. This is EK, keep discovering
Having said that, they may need more next week or next decade. This is EK, keep discovering
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Would would be the reasons for jumping and for not jumping fleets if you were a current 777 FO? The A380 fleet will continue to grow and the A380 routes are improving (or maybe getting worse depending upon your perspective) with time in terms of layovers as more airframes arrive.
I am aware that you need a certain number of hours on type for upgrade - so, if you are mid-level 777 FO (in terms of time on type), would you be nuts to go to the A380 because you would be forgoing an upgrade chance on the 777? Would the time to upgrade be reduced for existing 777 FOs with decent time at the company? Otherwise, why make the jump to the SUPER if you have to start over in terms of hours to upgrade? What would be the pros/cons of that decision?
I am aware that you need a certain number of hours on type for upgrade - so, if you are mid-level 777 FO (in terms of time on type), would you be nuts to go to the A380 because you would be forgoing an upgrade chance on the 777? Would the time to upgrade be reduced for existing 777 FOs with decent time at the company? Otherwise, why make the jump to the SUPER if you have to start over in terms of hours to upgrade? What would be the pros/cons of that decision?
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Iver, for some people it is a matter of lifestyle. This is getting worse on the 777 as it picks up more of the bad flights (night turns to India, less desirable layovers etc.) from the shrinking 330/340 fleet. However, on the 380 it is still pretty good with more days off and mostly good layovers. If people have 30 years to go before they retire an extra couple of years waiting for a command may not seem that important if they enjoy the job while they are waiting. To other people a command as quickly as possible is all that matters.
Generally I find the former group less stressed!
Generally I find the former group less stressed!
