Qatari Pilots 60% pay increase
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Heard some Spanair A320 guys got kicked out of Qatar for not having the 500 hours PIC that their log book showed as having..any truth?
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This thread is only for those that want more money and are angry at the Qataris' pay rise its not about Spanair pilots and their fudged logbooks, start a new thread.
At the end of the day I suppose QR and the Qatari govt has to throw money at people to keep them happy, expat or local, its the only way to placate that rage that is fermenting inside.
And BTW the phenomenon of the fudged logbooks is not a new. Those that fudge things blatantly and get jobs that they are not fit to hold should be put behind bars for endangering the safety of the public. However, when you have a wife and kids to feed and you live in a country where you can see unemployment sky rocketing and no hope of finding another job and you look at your logbook and see your maybe 40 or 50 hours short...well its wrong and if it is true then its right for them to be fired, but I'm not going to stand in judgement of such people.
At the end of the day I suppose QR and the Qatari govt has to throw money at people to keep them happy, expat or local, its the only way to placate that rage that is fermenting inside.
And BTW the phenomenon of the fudged logbooks is not a new. Those that fudge things blatantly and get jobs that they are not fit to hold should be put behind bars for endangering the safety of the public. However, when you have a wife and kids to feed and you live in a country where you can see unemployment sky rocketing and no hope of finding another job and you look at your logbook and see your maybe 40 or 50 hours short...well its wrong and if it is true then its right for them to be fired, but I'm not going to stand in judgement of such people.
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"the same in the UK or Europe we'd be racist, sexist, ageist, discriminatory, nasty, slave dealing infidels"
1.Would you employ expats in the UK or Europe?
2.Whoever told you life is fair, lied to you.
How come I haven't heard any expat pilot flying for certain Far eastern airlines complaining about their semi-god status, which is way above the local pilots? These expacts treat the locals like second class citizens in their own country. Would you like to discuss this issue ? I don't think so.
So take it from me Life is NOT fair. Learn how to live with that innequality.
1.Would you employ expats in the UK or Europe?
2.Whoever told you life is fair, lied to you.
How come I haven't heard any expat pilot flying for certain Far eastern airlines complaining about their semi-god status, which is way above the local pilots? These expacts treat the locals like second class citizens in their own country. Would you like to discuss this issue ? I don't think so.
So take it from me Life is NOT fair. Learn how to live with that innequality.
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How come I haven't heard any expat pilot flying for certain Far eastern airlines complaining about their semi-god status, which is way above the local pilots? These expacts treat the locals like second class citizens in their own country. Would you like to discuss this issue ? I don't think so.
Where is that? Because in China, Japan, Korea, Taipei, Hong Kong, you start being an ahole! They will get rid of you very quickly, quite the opposite is true
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Any company should get rid of any pilot who tries to be an a.....hole.
Isn't that fair ?
The vast majority of us perform our duties as per our contracts. If we don't like it, we leave for greener pastures. If they don't like us we get the sack and we are replaced by ppl they like. Isn't that reality ?
Isn't that fair ?
The vast majority of us perform our duties as per our contracts. If we don't like it, we leave for greener pastures. If they don't like us we get the sack and we are replaced by ppl they like. Isn't that reality ?
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Qataris get their payrise congratulate them. You blonde guys if not happy then leave try go back to you blonde country and get a job, stop coming here and bitch thinking you are colonial masters. Simple as that. Oh i forgot, you got no job back home.
Bamboo. You England speak good. Stay in noodle land. You need us. We certainly don't need you in our country. Unless we need taxi drivers. An Asian CPL should be suffice.
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Qataris get their payrise congratulate them. You blonde guys if not happy then leave try go back to you blonde country and get a job, stop coming here and bitch thinking you are colonial masters. Simple as that. Oh i forgot, you got no job back home.
However, just wait until there is jobs in Europe, you will then see how many people will leave; And you sir can rub your loins in pleasure as you have to work with more morons like yourself.
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1- once again...I have nothing to do with management.
2-my thread is not insulting anybody,simply a true fact.yes 80% of the population are expats,and who is building roads,infrastructure,buildings,shopping mall,properties..in this country.....?
Tell me....
Bamboo,
" colonial Masters"???
Do you remember when a British guy was killed years back in a bomb attack at the national theater here.
The next day,Qataris starts sh...in their pans,so scared that all the expats are gone leave the country,and they organized immediately an hypocrite demonstration on corniche on "support"for the expats community,with slogan like , " expats we like you, don't leave the country...."
" colonial Masters"???
Or maybe are you talking about all this poor asian workers forced to work by 45 degrees+ building the country for you, a sent back home every summer in coffin after dying from an heatstroke..
Sure you aren't! Otherwise feel free to take their job!
1- once again...I have nothing to do with management.
2-my thread is not insulting anybody,simply a true fact.yes 80% of the population are expats,and who is building roads,infrastructure,buildings,shopping mall,properties..in this country.....?
Tell me....
Bamboo,
" colonial Masters"???
Do you remember when a British guy was killed years back in a bomb attack at the national theater here.
The next day,Qataris starts sh...in their pans,so scared that all the expats are gone leave the country,and they organized immediately an hypocrite demonstration on corniche on "support"for the expats community,with slogan like , " expats we like you, don't leave the country...."
" colonial Masters"???
Or maybe are you talking about all this poor asian workers forced to work by 45 degrees+ building the country for you, a sent back home every summer in coffin after dying from an heatstroke..
Sure you aren't! Otherwise feel free to take their job!
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A few years back Expats at JAL were on about 1/3 of the local pilots. So this is nothing new . Along the same line, local pilots in China are on way less than the expats, so maybe they should get a 60 % pay increase. Don't compare the expat package with the local period.
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Fatbus,
As far as I known local pilots here( Qatari) has never been paid less than expats.
On top of that they already have extra benefits that expats doesn't have like pension for example,free educations..
Following that logic I would have think that expats instead deserve a pay increase.
As far as I known local pilots here( Qatari) has never been paid less than expats.
On top of that they already have extra benefits that expats doesn't have like pension for example,free educations..
Following that logic I would have think that expats instead deserve a pay increase.
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It's a 2 way street....the expats are there as it was a better option then they were facing at home. The local Qataris can not do it by themselves...there just isn't enough people in the country. I think a little mutual respect goes a long way. If they treat people poorly they attract a poorer quality of pilot.
However as long as they honor the contract you signed they can be as generous as they want with their own people and it shouldn't change things.
I see one problem it does cause is inflation....if everybody starts making more money there is a certain amount of inflation....cars, homes, schools etc....all are getting more costly and the housing and school allowance is inadequate.
However as long as they honor the contract you signed they can be as generous as they want with their own people and it shouldn't change things.
I see one problem it does cause is inflation....if everybody starts making more money there is a certain amount of inflation....cars, homes, schools etc....all are getting more costly and the housing and school allowance is inadequate.
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Lobster Pail
In the Northeastern USA, they have a analogy that reflects this thread. When a catch of lobsters are placed in a pail, several may try to escape by climbing up the sides. Inevitably, the other lobsters use their claws to grab their tails and pull them back down to share their fate.
We all arrived here after signing a contract. Though some might say they were "forced" to accept the conditions because they had no alternatives, this is not true. There are always alternatives, possibly not in the aviation industry. Therefore, we agreed to the terms and found them satisfactory.
With very few exceptions, the contract terms are being fulfilled satisfactorily. Therefore we should have no complaints. The Qatari pilots work under a different agreement. Their Government is fortunate enough to be is a position to reward them for their diligence. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with us and in fact, we should be pleased with their good fortune. We are NOT lobsters.
A suggestion. If you are NOT satisfied here, move on. Otherwise, put your head into our profession, go to work with a positive attitude, and do the best and most professional job you can on EVERY flight. Respect your crewmates and encourage conversations and opinions. On every flight I learn extraordinary things both related to aviation, and culturally. The experience and knowledge you gain will fare you well in the future. Consider THIS your reward.
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We all arrived here after signing a contract. Though some might say they were "forced" to accept the conditions because they had no alternatives, this is not true. There are always alternatives, possibly not in the aviation industry. Therefore, we agreed to the terms and found them satisfactory.
With very few exceptions, the contract terms are being fulfilled satisfactorily. Therefore we should have no complaints. The Qatari pilots work under a different agreement. Their Government is fortunate enough to be is a position to reward them for their diligence. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with us and in fact, we should be pleased with their good fortune. We are NOT lobsters.
A suggestion. If you are NOT satisfied here, move on. Otherwise, put your head into our profession, go to work with a positive attitude, and do the best and most professional job you can on EVERY flight. Respect your crewmates and encourage conversations and opinions. On every flight I learn extraordinary things both related to aviation, and culturally. The experience and knowledge you gain will fare you well in the future. Consider THIS your reward.
Edit to correct typo.
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Well said Flytdeck.......
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Hopefully should end the debate on how the local government rewards its own citizens.
Bottomline is, that this was mandated by their governmant for their citizens and not by Qatar Airways, ONLY for their local employees
:Hopefully should end the debate on how the local government rewards its own citizens.
Bottomline is, that this was mandated by their governmant for their citizens and not by Qatar Airways, ONLY for their local employees
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Flytdeck, you are very wise indeed.
The people who are bitching, are the ones who cannot find solutions to their own miseries and blame the whole world for their missfortunes.
Very sad indeed.
The people who are bitching, are the ones who cannot find solutions to their own miseries and blame the whole world for their missfortunes.
Very sad indeed.