Qantarse pilots at Ek
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A-380, why don't you tell us what glorious airline you worked for and what drugs you are taking to think you are working at a good airline.
flying the A-330 and you think you have the Life of Reilly. Get a life!
flying the A-330 and you think you have the Life of Reilly. Get a life!
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Hey Box, maybe this might explain the exodus of pilots to EK. BTW these are your words not mine!!
No guaranteed hours or money, not guaranteed any work at all.
Charged for Uniform.
No staff travel.
No notice of base transfers required.
3 months notice period, even though on random rosters and no work guaranteed.
There are significant concerns of cadets going bankrupt. Some cadets already have court dates. Current payments for most cadets is £1200 a month. Banks are no longer prepared to defer or take reduced payments any longer. With no guaranteed hours cadets cant be sure of making payments each month.
Safety issues. BALPA have raised cadets distracted due outside stresses mainly financial. With no minimum income and transfers likely, guys will be left struggling with accommodation which they can neither commit to or afford. Some of the FOs are already completing long commutes before work and sleeping on the floor of other FOs houses, in their cars, or on the crew room floor already. There are at least 3 cadets that I am aware of on anti-depressants, due to the stress they are experiencing. This is simply unacceptable and absolutely must be brought to an end.
Commercial issues arise of how the image of the airline may be damaged with bankrupt FOs and the lowest terms and conditions in the industry.
EasyJet already seem to be taking advantage of the situation. LGW FOs are reduced down to now averaging between 20-30 hours next month (£1290 best case scenario before tax), which is not even enough to make the loan/bond repayments. Everyone also seems to be doing a lot of positioning.
Cadets are currently attempting to stand together and refuse terms and conditions. They desperately need the support of the greater work force. Through guys challenging managers at SEP, and sharing the information so this becomes an issue that needs tackling this can be successfully fought. We need guys to petition BALPA to become more involved. This is an issue that affects the entire pilot workforce. While Andy Harrison talks of pilot re-engagement substantially more than 10% of our pilots are living on starvation wages and facing financial extinction. This is simply not acceptable and needs to be addressed urgently. This is the number one issue at easyJet and makes rostering issues etc pale into insignificance.
Charged for Uniform.
No staff travel.
No notice of base transfers required.
3 months notice period, even though on random rosters and no work guaranteed.
There are significant concerns of cadets going bankrupt. Some cadets already have court dates. Current payments for most cadets is £1200 a month. Banks are no longer prepared to defer or take reduced payments any longer. With no guaranteed hours cadets cant be sure of making payments each month.
Safety issues. BALPA have raised cadets distracted due outside stresses mainly financial. With no minimum income and transfers likely, guys will be left struggling with accommodation which they can neither commit to or afford. Some of the FOs are already completing long commutes before work and sleeping on the floor of other FOs houses, in their cars, or on the crew room floor already. There are at least 3 cadets that I am aware of on anti-depressants, due to the stress they are experiencing. This is simply unacceptable and absolutely must be brought to an end.
Commercial issues arise of how the image of the airline may be damaged with bankrupt FOs and the lowest terms and conditions in the industry.
EasyJet already seem to be taking advantage of the situation. LGW FOs are reduced down to now averaging between 20-30 hours next month (£1290 best case scenario before tax), which is not even enough to make the loan/bond repayments. Everyone also seems to be doing a lot of positioning.
Cadets are currently attempting to stand together and refuse terms and conditions. They desperately need the support of the greater work force. Through guys challenging managers at SEP, and sharing the information so this becomes an issue that needs tackling this can be successfully fought. We need guys to petition BALPA to become more involved. This is an issue that affects the entire pilot workforce. While Andy Harrison talks of pilot re-engagement substantially more than 10% of our pilots are living on starvation wages and facing financial extinction. This is simply not acceptable and needs to be addressed urgently. This is the number one issue at easyJet and makes rostering issues etc pale into insignificance.
Given the high number of major incidents QF has survived, 10 engine failures, explosive decompression, damaged aircraft, total electrical failure, I somehow think standards might just be ok.
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10 engine failures, explosive decompression, damaged aircraft, total electrical failure, I somehow think standards might just be ok.
To be fair it not the fault of engineers. QF had a world leading engine shop which some genius thought was to expensive. They closed it and in the following 18 months they had at least 10 engine failures. In all cases the pilots got them home safely. I believe they had the longest TBO in the world at one stage.
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A nationality perpetuating this myth that ozzie pilots are pedantic .... more like which nationality is not 
Not that I agree with it, flown with enough Aussie chaps who were great- havnt come across a bad apple yet but hey that's the reputation, spread by most not just one nationality.
Not that I agree with it, flown with enough Aussie chaps who were great- havnt come across a bad apple yet but hey that's the reputation, spread by most not just one nationality.
