Switching from Military to ME airline?
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"At least those people didn't pay for their training, and they had to pass a selection to get their wings (because, no you don't "join" the Air Force)"
You don't "join" Emirates either.....(Can't speak for Qatar or that lot up the road that we can't talk about but I would say the same is true for any half decent major airline).
You don't "join" Emirates either.....(Can't speak for Qatar or that lot up the road that we can't talk about but I would say the same is true for any half decent major airline).
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
Nice rant
Originally Posted by Wizofoz
I have no doubt they are great at what they do.
Originally Posted by Wizofoz
What they HAVEN'T done is operate in an environment where making a profit
As smart as saying :
"military pilots don't care about fuel' (?)
"only the mission is important, to the detriment of safety' (??)
"Korean pilots make hard landings, because they are ex-mil" (???)
"you cannot discuss with your boss in the Air Force" (????) (because you can in a civilian company ?)
"fighter pilot is alone in the sky" (????)
All of them from previous colleagues on Airbus and Boeing, and I'm still laughing...
Originally Posted by Wizofoz
If you were recruiting for a commercial operation and had the choice, who would YOU choose?
Ex-fighter pilots, because they are smarter, think quicker and have superior flying abilities, and they would not crash aircraft stupidly (look at cockpit composition of the past major accidents)
Commercial pilots... looking blankly for 20 + years at a F/D cross and staring at an instrument panel as motionless as the one from a drone, waiting for the LOC to turn green, and with only cabin crew as company during layovers... often the end product is not very impressive (but I've met a couple of smart ones already, to be honest)
Now the policy of the Gulf Airlines regarding ex-mils... is different from one operation to another (QR being apparently the most friendly) and has been changing on a regular basis in the past, with often qualified Air Force Captains (Airbus and Boeing) being hired directly.
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Not conclusive - US pilots are often the most chemical and illiterate of the community - like the aircraft they build, all in bull****ting and communicating.
When back to the real bone, not a lot of substance. So they don't represent the family in any way.
Now fighter pilots happen to crash their own fighter aircraft, because it's a difficult job, always on the edge - but when it's time to operate a two-man cockpit, how boring it becomes - like a slow-motion movie ( but it has to be done once retired, to pay the bill) so therefore yes, it's quite an easy job. That's what all of us think, and I credit Reihnardt for pushing it from his sandpit.
Obvious others think differently of our background - but mainly because they are jealous, and will NEVER have such a CV (and would never have got it, judging by the brainless specimens we often meet in cockpits)
When back to the real bone, not a lot of substance. So they don't represent the family in any way.
Now fighter pilots happen to crash their own fighter aircraft, because it's a difficult job, always on the edge - but when it's time to operate a two-man cockpit, how boring it becomes - like a slow-motion movie ( but it has to be done once retired, to pay the bill) so therefore yes, it's quite an easy job. That's what all of us think, and I credit Reihnardt for pushing it from his sandpit.
Obvious others think differently of our background - but mainly because they are jealous, and will NEVER have such a CV (and would never have got it, judging by the brainless specimens we often meet in cockpits)
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The problem is not the country and its aerospace industry/history, it's with his people, and especially his pilots.
So it's perfectly possible to churn out a big number of "pilots" without being a great aeronautical country (like Australia, Ireland : no Aerospace Engineering Universities, no aircraft building, no research facilities, no history)
and back to America :
1. in all those places, it's much easier to become a pilot, because you don't have to start by learning a foreign language - so the end product is statiscally less smart, that's unquestionable (same for Cabin Crew)
2. you become qualified by passing exams where you already know the questions of the databank (the famous red books) - even a 12-year old can pass that
3. by always putting the emphasis on praticability and "being basic", you get back what you put in the ground : "basic" people - and I'm polite.
4. all that is also true and verified for their military pilots : nice flashing smile, neatly dressed, square-eating, SOP known by heart... just don't drift out of the expected picture - but that's what the enemy often does, unfortunately.
So when talking about ex-mil pilots for ailines, please don't consider too much those from this country.
So it's perfectly possible to churn out a big number of "pilots" without being a great aeronautical country (like Australia, Ireland : no Aerospace Engineering Universities, no aircraft building, no research facilities, no history)
and back to America :
1. in all those places, it's much easier to become a pilot, because you don't have to start by learning a foreign language - so the end product is statiscally less smart, that's unquestionable (same for Cabin Crew)
2. you become qualified by passing exams where you already know the questions of the databank (the famous red books) - even a 12-year old can pass that
3. by always putting the emphasis on praticability and "being basic", you get back what you put in the ground : "basic" people - and I'm polite.
4. all that is also true and verified for their military pilots : nice flashing smile, neatly dressed, square-eating, SOP known by heart... just don't drift out of the expected picture - but that's what the enemy often does, unfortunately.
So when talking about ex-mil pilots for ailines, please don't consider too much those from this country.
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This forum is blatantly anti-french and therefore lacking in credibility.
If you insult the french, in a way never any jews, moslems or even worst, homosexuals would, fine, your posts would say forever.
If by misfortune you try to answer and to get some points equal in a factly manner, your posts get censored immediately.
For everybody to know.
If you insult the french, in a way never any jews, moslems or even worst, homosexuals would, fine, your posts would say forever.
If by misfortune you try to answer and to get some points equal in a factly manner, your posts get censored immediately.
For everybody to know.
Didn't you cite the requirement to learn English as one of the reasons you are unquestionably smarter than Americans, Aussies, Irish, etc?
So based on the above quote and your prior posts in French, I'm assuming you are French? A country brimming with unquestionably superior airmen. I hate to point fingers but Air France has had several recent crashes that were a direct result of improper basic airmanship. AF358, AF447, the A320 slow flight into trees demo. During the process of achieving that unquestionably superior knowledge did the French collectively forget how to fly?
Obviously pointing fingers at nationalities gets us nowhere. The point I am trying to make is that humans make mistakes. Apparently even the French. The key is to learn from them and strive to avoid repeating them. Your attitude doesn't belong in a multi-cultural airline.
I always get confused...who gave us the aqueducts?
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I always get confused...who gave us the aqueducts?
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Remember now?
Personally, I can barely stomach ex Mil pilots...I dam sure couldn't eat a whole one.
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I come from the Dominican Republic, the place is known for beautiful beaches, great food and beautiful women, and I almost forgot, WORLD BASEBALL CHAMPIONS! Not so much for its aviation exports although there are a few of us outthere. I've been very fortunate to not only have flown, but also have trained many pilots from all over the world and from all sources, from the military institutions of different countries, people that came from P2F schemes, from little airport rats that are second and third generation pilots, to refugees from totalitarian regimes that were told their abilities were to be a musician, although their heart was in the clouds. One thing that I have come to understand is that good and bad pilots come from all sources and all nationalities, so much so that early on my training days, I just didn't ask people anymore what their background was, It was just a very unreliable way to measure how the day was going to go. But another thing that I have come to see is that pilots that criticize others based only on their origin, race, birthplace etc. are usually mediocre pilots themselves
