Night of the Long Knives in EK training department?
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Agreed. But B&B was pure fantasy wasn't it? Now, Eastenders is real life but this stuff is even better than that. While you guys shake up the Training Dept. Someone have a go at Security please ( glance at the Cockpit visit thread ! ).All good sitcom though !
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Stormy Seas ahead
Rig for fowl weather, stormy seas ahead.
Hatches and harnesses secure, all water tight doors locked.
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Last edited by Capt Groper; 20th Jan 2013 at 03:35.
No, Sit, it is only Management that is being restructured.
Recently, three new positions were "Created" in training- each fleet got an "Assistant Chief Instructor", a position the did not exist previously.
Each of these new roles was filled by a UAE national.
The recent reshuffle will see each fleet with only one deputy Chief Instructor, with one or two previous deputies "Demoted" to "Senior Training Captains"
The newly created "Assistant" positions are of equivalent rank with the Deputies, above the new "Senior" positions.
So, some just introduced to managment people will outrank some people who have been there for quite a while.
Might that shed some light on the situation?
Recently, three new positions were "Created" in training- each fleet got an "Assistant Chief Instructor", a position the did not exist previously.
Each of these new roles was filled by a UAE national.
The recent reshuffle will see each fleet with only one deputy Chief Instructor, with one or two previous deputies "Demoted" to "Senior Training Captains"
The newly created "Assistant" positions are of equivalent rank with the Deputies, above the new "Senior" positions.
So, some just introduced to managment people will outrank some people who have been there for quite a while.
Might that shed some light on the situation?
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It would be somewhat naive to think this re-organisation is anything other than forced Emiratization.
Firstly, there is plenty of scope for removing weak trainers if they don't perform. It happens all the time (unless you have the appropriate "wasta"). There is no need to go through the scam of a management re-org to achieve that.
Much of the work to achieve a viable training department has been completed over the past few years (in particular the change to ATQP)...generally by a bunch of hard working and dedicated chaps. Putting aside personalities, these guys have achieved a hell of a lot. And now that work has been done, it's plainly obvious that others now want to step in and bask in the achievements. Whether the new management team will put in anywhere near the same effort remains to be seen.
No doubt there will be some figure-heads, with the deputies left to do all the work.
Perhaps this time was chosen as there is finally a reasonable level of establishment of trainers, and the powers that be figure if they lose a bunch through resignations, then it can be managed. Had this happened six or 12 months ago, the department would have ground to a halt.
So the next few months will be very interesting.
Firstly, there is plenty of scope for removing weak trainers if they don't perform. It happens all the time (unless you have the appropriate "wasta"). There is no need to go through the scam of a management re-org to achieve that.
Much of the work to achieve a viable training department has been completed over the past few years (in particular the change to ATQP)...generally by a bunch of hard working and dedicated chaps. Putting aside personalities, these guys have achieved a hell of a lot. And now that work has been done, it's plainly obvious that others now want to step in and bask in the achievements. Whether the new management team will put in anywhere near the same effort remains to be seen.
No doubt there will be some figure-heads, with the deputies left to do all the work.
Perhaps this time was chosen as there is finally a reasonable level of establishment of trainers, and the powers that be figure if they lose a bunch through resignations, then it can be managed. Had this happened six or 12 months ago, the department would have ground to a halt.
So the next few months will be very interesting.
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The Feb training letter is there, politically correct!
The thinning out of trainers/examiners has allegedly started.
Emiratisation will continue, hardly unexpected for those who have been here a while.
Fly safe,
H-D
The thinning out of trainers/examiners has allegedly started.
Emiratisation will continue, hardly unexpected for those who have been here a while.
Fly safe,
H-D
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"The thinning out of trainers/examiners has allegedly started."
"Thinning" as in simply reducing the total number or "thinning" as in pruning the known problem-children? I hadn't heard of any examples of either.
"Thinning" as in simply reducing the total number or "thinning" as in pruning the known problem-children? I hadn't heard of any examples of either.
Sounds like the same old problem when the appropriate locals have been trained up then the expats will be dispensed with. This happened in Gulf Air many moons ago when Cabin Services had a shake up. Judge for yourselves how that went and what happened. Looks good on paper and makes the bean counters a lot happier. How that will affect the quality of course is something to debate in the future.
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hate to say it, but welcome to ME! They give us a $ in one pocket and then suck it out the other. They have no idea what they are doing but have the $ to pay for their mistakes. In the mean time we are the once paying the price because of their stupidity. The other airline below Dubai has same issues....., if you are of certain nationality, the senoirty list means nothing. You get what you want, the rest can stand in line with their ticket and wait.
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Restructure is out Habibis. discuss....
Not totally surprised that many have been reappointed, most were doing a great job! But one appointment sticks out like a sore thumb, the most Non standard pilot in EK. Teflon coated..
SyB
Not totally surprised that many have been reappointed, most were doing a great job! But one appointment sticks out like a sore thumb, the most Non standard pilot in EK. Teflon coated..
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Sheikh Your Bootie
I agree 100%, this individual is a joke. He's infamous throughout the fleet, completely non standard, is a bully, can't train to save his life and now becomes a manager. Where's the credibility? The only good I see from his appointment is that he'll be spending far less time near a real airplane!
Maybe this is a discussion best saved for our own forum though.
Harry
I agree 100%, this individual is a joke. He's infamous throughout the fleet, completely non standard, is a bully, can't train to save his life and now becomes a manager. Where's the credibility? The only good I see from his appointment is that he'll be spending far less time near a real airplane!
Maybe this is a discussion best saved for our own forum though.
Harry
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Absolutely disgraceful decision to appoint this man a manager.
Notorious reputation, widely held in contempt...
Knowledgeable? Yes, .
...but a real trainer imparts knowledge for the benefit of the pilot...
He displays knowledge for the benefit of himself... at the expense of the pilot.
. One step fwd, two steps back.
Another hole in the block of cheese.
Tut, tut, tut.
f.
Notorious reputation, widely held in contempt...
Knowledgeable? Yes, .
...but a real trainer imparts knowledge for the benefit of the pilot...
He displays knowledge for the benefit of himself... at the expense of the pilot.
. One step fwd, two steps back.
Another hole in the block of cheese.
Tut, tut, tut.
f.
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