Article - EK CEO Wants Another 40 A380s On Top of 90 Ordered
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Falcon easy driver- why does it give you so much pleasure if the 380 goes to India?
A day HYD once every 6 months will do me just fine - I miss the curry already
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Hang in there Falcon. Anyone who thought the 380 wouldn't grace the Indian shores lives under a rock.
Glofish, when talking of the great unw..., were you referring to Melbourne?
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Glofish, when talking of the great unw..., were you referring to Melbourne?
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"Fact 1
EK have ordered the number of 380's it has for the express purpose of operating a considerable number to India."
Ya right!
Thanks for the laugh.
BTW someone asked if you can block a poster , yes you can.
EK have ordered the number of 380's it has for the express purpose of operating a considerable number to India."
Ya right!
Thanks for the laugh.
BTW someone asked if you can block a poster , yes you can.
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At the risk of being called names again.
Fatbus, this was the direct quote about a year ago, perhaps I'm putting 2 and 2 together to get 7?
I stand by my contention that a considerable number of 380's will end up in a high density config suitable for up to 7-8hr missions, many of which will include India.
Please a note to my detractors, no attempts at humour, merely directly attributable quotes and facts.
Craggy, you've got it in one
Emirates, owner of the world’s largest fleet of A380s, anticipates strong demand for the superjumbo in the country, Tim Clark, president of the airline, said in an interview.
“We want to take the A380 to India. It would be hugely popular,” Clark said. “Our expansion plans depend on the Indian government -- they make the call on whether we can increase our frequencies.”
“We want to take the A380 to India. It would be hugely popular,” Clark said. “Our expansion plans depend on the Indian government -- they make the call on whether we can increase our frequencies.”
I stand by my contention that a considerable number of 380's will end up in a high density config suitable for up to 7-8hr missions, many of which will include India.
Please a note to my detractors, no attempts at humour, merely directly attributable quotes and facts.
Craggy, you've got it in one
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You're a bit high on your 258000kg/hr for 3 777er's. More like 7 tons per hr per plane, which totals 21000.
I've been told the 380 burns between 12-14 tons per hour depending on the weight. Basic fact.
I've been told the 380 burns between 12-14 tons per hour depending on the weight. Basic fact.
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11-13 tonnes for "off the top of the head" calcs actually. And with 90 (14/76)potential premium pax I'd say that's jolly good income
That'll be compared to 7 tonnes for 50 (at 8/42 layout).
So really 'swings and roundabouts'. Why don't we leave it to 'commercial' to make money from ALL of the fleets heh?
Of course the 380 will go to India. Biggest market after London... Or is it the same market
That'll be compared to 7 tonnes for 50 (at 8/42 layout).So really 'swings and roundabouts'. Why don't we leave it to 'commercial' to make money from ALL of the fleets heh?
Of course the 380 will go to India. Biggest market after London... Or is it the same market
Good point and well presented GMC.
I was comparing the 380 vs 773ER on ULR (syd and JFK using Flight plan fuel burn/time). For the 777 to burn 7T/hr you would need a 772 to fly a shorter sector such as LHR. So therefore it would be 11.2t/hr for 1 x 380 at 527 seats, and 14t/hr for 2 x 772LR at 520 seats. Of course there are extra crew, handling, slot, lease etc etc expenses for the extra 777, but individually the 777 does burn less gas.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
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I was comparing the 380 vs 773ER on ULR (syd and JFK using Flight plan fuel burn/time). For the 777 to burn 7T/hr you would need a 772 to fly a shorter sector such as LHR. So therefore it would be 11.2t/hr for 1 x 380 at 527 seats, and 14t/hr for 2 x 772LR at 520 seats. Of course there are extra crew, handling, slot, lease etc etc expenses for the extra 777, but individually the 777 does burn less gas.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
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If we're gonna play games with numbers at least include them all, I'd imagine a 380 also has higher landing fees (based on weight) and higher crew costs per flight (they DO give each CC their own hotel room, no? Although I understand the shower girls bunk together - lovely). Trucking around showers and water and all that dead space (ie forward stairs) doesn't exactly scream efficiency in motion. And I'm no accountant but a little logic might suggest that engine maintenance cost on the 380 might be, oh, around double as well.
Point being that the little ditty about "2 flights with this a/c = 3 flights with that a/c" isn't quite as simplistic as it's presented, as much as wishful thinking might want it to be. It IS kinda flattering to have 380 guys poring over B777 flight plans though.
And I do agree with falconeasydriver, it's pretty funny to wind guys up and watch them go! At what point did people start to take the internet seriously?!
Point being that the little ditty about "2 flights with this a/c = 3 flights with that a/c" isn't quite as simplistic as it's presented, as much as wishful thinking might want it to be. It IS kinda flattering to have 380 guys poring over B777 flight plans though.
And I do agree with falconeasydriver, it's pretty funny to wind guys up and watch them go! At what point did people start to take the internet seriously?!
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Originally Posted by NLH
It IS kinda flattering to have 380 guys poring over B777 flight plans though.
... But back to the main thrust of the post you still miss the point; if EK weren't making money with any of the fleets they would can them! Showers, bars, freight space, fees, whatever... Hey Falcon, I like your humorous banter
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How is it, that it takes hundreds of staff working full time at EGHQ to make fleet/route/commercial decisions, but they could hire any one of us to run the whole show, and do a much better job for much less?...
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if EK weren't making money with any of the fleets they would can them!
There is a sort of trapped commitment once someone has ordered, boasted himself about and so much praised a product.
How would EK be able to can the dugong (or for that matter the T7) having so many in service and on contracted order? Look at the guzzling 345's, they'd rather get rid of them today, but have to stick to them, who would take them anyway!
We're stuck with what we have, therefore the dugongs have to be profitable, whatever the real numbers would reveal.
If for one moment anyone believes what comes out of EKs spinning wheel, I question his sanity.
I stick to what I can see and read and thereby adopt an "informed opinion".
Anyone can do that and have his own opinion, but there is less room for a spin on hard facts concerning consumption.
As to yield and profit, this eludes me, certainly, but for that: See above ......
The dugong seems to work at the moment, but I keep my doubts, especially about ordering some more.
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Originally Posted by glofish
I stick to what I can see and read and thereby adopt an "informed opinion".
Too right Glofish. There is a lot of whose watch is bigger attitude around this region. I think the only deliveries that were canceled/swapped for something else while I have been here would be the 346 and the 748.
Now if only we had aeroplanes that could fly with full seats to help with staff travel. Can I also ask for cheaper beer and more days off as well?
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Now if only we had aeroplanes that could fly with full seats to help with staff travel. Can I also ask for cheaper beer and more days off as well?
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As do I... Just our "informed opinions" differ heh?
Now if only we had aeroplanes that could fly with full seats to help with staff travel
Off for the free beer in the lounge.
