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Romour has it that Emirates will only get 4 additional A-380s for a grand total of 25 A-380s.
They are going to concentrate on the B-777 X for the expansion.
I can't believe this if it will be true. I will be stuck on the small bus with its crap flying for the next 4-5 years until I can get on the Boeing. If I can't get off the Bus and I have to go elsewhere. There is no way I can handle the flying and schedules with the lack of days off for another 4 years. I will die, no question.
Hoepfully EK will get more 380s.
They are going to concentrate on the B-777 X for the expansion.
I can't believe this if it will be true. I will be stuck on the small bus with its crap flying for the next 4-5 years until I can get on the Boeing. If I can't get off the Bus and I have to go elsewhere. There is no way I can handle the flying and schedules with the lack of days off for another 4 years. I will die, no question.
Hoepfully EK will get more 380s.
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I think even the die-hard Boeing boys admit the most optimistic delivery timing of the 777-X is late 2018. I doubt EK is going to wait that long to expand.......
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LHR Rain is on a rumour high
The A380 is necessary due incresed PAX numbers and slot restrictions at most Major Airports / Hubs.
The A380 will be the B747 replacement at most major airlines wanting to increase PAX seat availability.
The A380 will be the B747 replacement at most major airlines wanting to increase PAX seat availability.
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Heard similar rumors.
If the price of fuel does not drop to ~80$, the days of the fuel guzzlers are numbered.
The impact on the profit showed already this year, they did not expect it to be so drastic and so fast.
The way they might go is to get every 777ER possible until the 777X gets available. This order increase might mellow Boeing to accelerate things.
The range below will be covered with the smaller 350ies.
I guess the future belongs to Twins.
The few dugongs will serve hotspots like JFK, LHR, BKK and some other Asian biggies, plus BOM/DEL.
If the price of fuel does not drop to ~80$, the days of the fuel guzzlers are numbered.
The impact on the profit showed already this year, they did not expect it to be so drastic and so fast.
The way they might go is to get every 777ER possible until the 777X gets available. This order increase might mellow Boeing to accelerate things.
The range below will be covered with the smaller 350ies.
I guess the future belongs to Twins.
The few dugongs will serve hotspots like JFK, LHR, BKK and some other Asian biggies, plus BOM/DEL.
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Glo, of course the argument will be put forward, yes the 180 burns more gas but it generates more revenue, whatever the maths worked out in the shiney building I guess we will know in the fullness of time, either way the LHR flight the other night couldn't catch us
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Originally Posted by LHR rain
Romour has it that Emirates will only get 4 additional A-380s
I think the price of oil will drop quite a bit further - it is already coming down quite significantly and even the likes of OPEC consider it as far too high.
Originally Posted by glofish
The impact on the profit showed already this year
And remember glofish - the company still made a MASSIVE profit!
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yes the 180 burns more gas but it generates more revenue
whatever the maths worked out in the shiney building I guess we will know in the fullness of time
I already said that if fuel tends lower, no big reversal will be seen. If it stays high, brace for this rumor.
In this region it's all about greed, therefore I somewhat trust the rumor. But just as much about saving face, so any reversal to the big mouthed annunciations will be served under smoke screens and with all kinds of detractions and excuses.
But the writing on the wall gets sharper every day.
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I think some argy-bargey between EK and Airbus over A380 rectification, EK stalling acceptances (i.e. final payment) until some increase in the effort to fix the wings. Might be an excuse to reduce the overall order too, if Boeing can pick up the slack with a few extra 777s.
I think the permanent casualty might be the A350, which looks unlikely to be delivered much before the 777-8X and -9X. Why wait just as long for an untried product?
I think the permanent casualty might be the A350, which looks unlikely to be delivered much before the 777-8X and -9X. Why wait just as long for an untried product?
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There will be an announcement soon from the company. No more 380 pieces of Shiite until Airbus sorts out their issues. The earliest THAT is expected to happen is 2015.
In the meantime, the B747-8 is being looked at again, hard.
You heard it here first.
I guess there will be a whole bunch more "EX380 Drivers"?!?
As far as the company "still making a massive profit" even with the gas-guzzlers, it could just as well been in spite of them as because of them. I'd bet on the former. Pretty sure the productivity of the staff has more to do with the profit than the productivity of machines that spent most of their time in a hangar.
In the meantime, the B747-8 is being looked at again, hard.
You heard it here first.
I guess there will be a whole bunch more "EX380 Drivers"?!?
As far as the company "still making a massive profit" even with the gas-guzzlers, it could just as well been in spite of them as because of them. I'd bet on the former. Pretty sure the productivity of the staff has more to do with the profit than the productivity of machines that spent most of their time in a hangar.
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As a 777 pilot I don't see what is wrong with the Big Bus. Rumor is Ek got them cheaper than an ER and has been pointed out there is about 42 (?) more premium seats and loads more sterage seats.
Yes they were delayed and Red Carded for cracks but EK got compensated for that very handsomely by the EADS.
I believe it is still too early to turn your back or the company's back on the airplane. What does the B747-8 give you that the Bus doesn't?
Yes they were delayed and Red Carded for cracks but EK got compensated for that very handsomely by the EADS.
I believe it is still too early to turn your back or the company's back on the airplane. What does the B747-8 give you that the Bus doesn't?
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Alconguin, yeah I agree with you, all d1ck measuring aside it would be premature to write the beast off yet.
As for
Id venture to speculate, cargo capacity? but then if the 77X is all that is promised then why would you take an airframe that is ostensibly 40 years old over something thats a heck of a lot newer and almost as capable?
As for
What does the B747-8 give you that the Bus doesn't?
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Heard the same thing today, only 32 A380s will be taken, 777 order to be increased, 350s cancelled and 747-8 definitely on the cards.
While it wouldn't surprise me if they cut back the A380 order (90 seems like a mad amount) and I know EK is very keen on the 777X, this does seem rather like a Boeing person's dream: no Airbuses at all (apart from the existing 380s) in this scenario?
Politically, this would be very dangerous, given that there are strident calls in some quarters for access to EU markets to be controlled or curtailed; EK certainly wouldn't want to give the EU regulators any excuse to do this.
I don't see the 748 happening either, for EK; the 777-9X will be longer than the current 77W, so it will offer pretty much the 748's capacity without having to move to a new type.
Heard the same thing today, only 32 A380s will be taken, 777 order to be increased, 350s cancelled and 747-8 definitely on the cards.
While it wouldn't surprise me if they cut back the A380 order (90 seems like a mad amount) and I know EK is very keen on the 777X, this does seem rather like a Boeing person's dream: no Airbuses at all (apart from the existing 380s) in this scenario?
Politically, this would be very dangerous, given that there are strident calls in some quarters for access to EU markets to be controlled or curtailed; EK certainly wouldn't want to give the EU regulators any excuse to do this.
I don't see the 748 happening either, for EK; the 777-9X will be longer than the current 77W, so it will offer pretty much the 748's capacity without having to move to a new type.
Airbus announced today (check flightglobal if you wish) they've submitted a permanent wing-rib fix to the authorities for approval, and expect to begin installing by 2013 for aircraft deliveries from 2014 onwards. They also said it's going to cost them another 200M USD, but that they expect break-even on the A380 line as of 2015.
The proposed 777X hasn't been defined yet, at present it's just a wet dream and a powerpoint presentation from the sales people, testing the waters as it is. It will, at the very earliest, become available for airline service as of 2018, probably more like 19. That's if Boeing decides to do it within the next 6 months, rather than endlessly dither about like they did with the 737. I personally think Boeing are waiting to see what Airbus will do with the A350-1000 and then decide if they need the X to compete.
As for EK and the 747-8: When pigs fly. If one quad is supposedly too expensive to run because, well, it has 4 engines sucking fuel, how come one that burns just about the same, but carries less of everything except 2 lower-deck PMCs, is a better idea?
The proposed 777X hasn't been defined yet, at present it's just a wet dream and a powerpoint presentation from the sales people, testing the waters as it is. It will, at the very earliest, become available for airline service as of 2018, probably more like 19. That's if Boeing decides to do it within the next 6 months, rather than endlessly dither about like they did with the 737. I personally think Boeing are waiting to see what Airbus will do with the A350-1000 and then decide if they need the X to compete.
As for EK and the 747-8: When pigs fly. If one quad is supposedly too expensive to run because, well, it has 4 engines sucking fuel, how come one that burns just about the same, but carries less of everything except 2 lower-deck PMCs, is a better idea?
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Originally Posted by sittingidly
Then you mention that EK still made a massive profit yet you are the first to stand up in support of policies that are detrimental to this company?
Originally Posted by sittingidly
Whight Knight, you really are a dumbass. You honestly believe that oil prices will drop quite a bit further? What is the basis for your argument? No one knows what the price of oil will be in a year but magically you have deduced from your infantile dreams of grandeur that you know what will happen. Um, er, um, errr err.
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The 777 is obviously the most economical aircraft at EK, yet you pretend otherwise?
You are a bitter little man SI. Pity the poor sod that has to sit with you for hours and listen to your rantings
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343 economical??
Edited to add that the 343s at EK were very cheap - hence the economical tag combined with the fuel burn
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No 380 delivered to EK since February, 5 EK tailed A/C parked in TLS, no A/C factory fitted with "new" wings to be delivered until 2014, even the most enthusiastic 380 admirer would have to admit that things are not looking great...
A350 most defenitely on the back burner...
A350 most defenitely on the back burner...
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When are we getting our iPads? My friend who plays golf with a guy, who knows a guy' who breakfasted at Starbucks with a hostie' who knows the wife of a manager type (with reserved parking) in the training department and he said we are getting them so it must be true!
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