A good nights sleep at LHR? Not with EK
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Touched a nerve eih?
Who talks about pax? Logically a dugong carries more.
I was talking about aircraft per minute, and that is the issue. The competition flying a narrow one doesn't give a hoot about how many you carry, they want to land and not wait longer behind a dugong.
Dubai has shown to start the bad habit of taking these biggies ahead of others and it starts creating some boiling blood ....
By the way, I do know about the performance issue of 2 vs. 4 engined aircraft. That's why I know that the 4 legged ones fly lower for the first couple of miles. Low means more noise, at least that's what the folks under the first few miles hear. Decibels vanish astonishingly fast with altitude and they stay annoyingly present at lower ones ......
As for the landing distance and steep approach capability, I do have to trust you.
Who talks about pax? Logically a dugong carries more.
I was talking about aircraft per minute, and that is the issue. The competition flying a narrow one doesn't give a hoot about how many you carry, they want to land and not wait longer behind a dugong.
Dubai has shown to start the bad habit of taking these biggies ahead of others and it starts creating some boiling blood ....
By the way, I do know about the performance issue of 2 vs. 4 engined aircraft. That's why I know that the 4 legged ones fly lower for the first couple of miles. Low means more noise, at least that's what the folks under the first few miles hear. Decibels vanish astonishingly fast with altitude and they stay annoyingly present at lower ones ......
As for the landing distance and steep approach capability, I do have to trust you.
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Dugong driver:
That's what I meant: I touched your own mentioned nerve ....
Look, nobody is denying that the dugong has a good noise certificate. But it also climbs worse than twins. Therefore I cite your beautiful Aussie leaflet:
But I didn't want to get into a slagging match with the 'nervous' fans.
Keep loving it, I don't blame you! Most other airspace users and controllers are a little more realistic though and can see the problems that arise. Some expose the rather silly solutions to minimize the impact, instead of joining the chorus-jubilation.
That's what I meant: I touched your own mentioned nerve ....
Look, nobody is denying that the dugong has a good noise certificate. But it also climbs worse than twins. Therefore I cite your beautiful Aussie leaflet:
The above graph does not provide information about the absolute noise levels that people hear
Keep loving it, I don't blame you! Most other airspace users and controllers are a little more realistic though and can see the problems that arise. Some expose the rather silly solutions to minimize the impact, instead of joining the chorus-jubilation.
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Management pilot at EK likes to bow forward and open up their a**ses for shafting. If any moppet brings up this idea on account of the local residents' complaint of noise, have the guts to tell that guy to stuff it. They already had free double glazing and the dugong is an ICAO annex 16 stage IV compliant aircraft. What do they want next, the moon?
It's time management pilots stop pandering to the gallery, making the aviators' lot more stressful and unrewarding.
It's time management pilots stop pandering to the gallery, making the aviators' lot more stressful and unrewarding.
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Analysis of the dugong noise over 3 years operation at Heathrow at
http://www.heathrowairport.com/stati...ort_1106_2.pdf
Are landing dugongs any better than landing 747's ?
http://www.heathrowairport.com/stati...ort_1106_2.pdf
Are landing dugongs any better than landing 747's ?
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Seen a noise certificate in a GE 777 lately? It's stage IV too. This isn't about the airplane. It's about getting more slots into LHR. If commercial bookings say a 777 makes more sense than a 380 for a 3am arrival into LHR, than a 777 it shall be. It's just more convenient and provides better press coverage for TC to trumpet the 380.
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Didn't MLS get installed at LHR? Theoretically this could facilitate steeper approaches right?
I don't know if it's still the case but I was under the impression that BA have MLS fitted to their 320 fleet, so I imagine the whole idea is not beyond the realms of possibility.
I don't know if it's still the case but I was under the impression that BA have MLS fitted to their 320 fleet, so I imagine the whole idea is not beyond the realms of possibility.
