Being Gay in Emirates
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Being Gay in Emirates
Hi guys
I'm currently a first officer with my eyes set on command early next year on the 320, however, I'm thinking I might like to join emirates as a first officer , however there are a couple of big sticking points.
1. I'm gay, I'm not camp and I don't advertise the fact that I am.
2. Civil partnership relationship
3. Two large dogs
All three points I can't change.
Question is, are there any openly gay pilots at emirates? Dubai is very westernised, however I understand that being gay is illegal.
Do you think a gay guy would be able to make it?
Cheers
I'm currently a first officer with my eyes set on command early next year on the 320, however, I'm thinking I might like to join emirates as a first officer , however there are a couple of big sticking points.
1. I'm gay, I'm not camp and I don't advertise the fact that I am.
2. Civil partnership relationship
3. Two large dogs
All three points I can't change.
Question is, are there any openly gay pilots at emirates? Dubai is very westernised, however I understand that being gay is illegal.
Do you think a gay guy would be able to make it?
Cheers
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
Well, ALL unmarried sex is illegal, and as such all unmarried pilots remain celibate in Dubai
In other words, keep it discreet and I don't think you'd have a problem, though there is no way you will get any type of benefits for your partner, as nothing close to a civil partnership agreement exists .
Neither the dogs nor living with your partner would wash in company accommodation ( you'd only be entitled to an apartment ) so the best option would be to opt- out, take the Housing Allowence and rent a place that allows pets.
In other words, keep it discreet and I don't think you'd have a problem, though there is no way you will get any type of benefits for your partner, as nothing close to a civil partnership agreement exists .
Neither the dogs nor living with your partner would wash in company accommodation ( you'd only be entitled to an apartment ) so the best option would be to opt- out, take the Housing Allowence and rent a place that allows pets.
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Put it this way, you'll never be short of friends down the back of the plane and there's opportunities to party everywhere you go if that's your thing.
I'm kinda jealous
Keep a low profile and you should be good, as the others have said, 'that' is illegal so none of us are doing anything we shouldn't be....
Sorry, no provision for staff travel etc, them's the breaks... perhaps one day we'll be allowed to take friends travelling with us (for those w/out 'traditional' families) ...we live in hope...
I'm kinda jealous
Keep a low profile and you should be good, as the others have said, 'that' is illegal so none of us are doing anything we shouldn't be....
Sorry, no provision for staff travel etc, them's the breaks... perhaps one day we'll be allowed to take friends travelling with us (for those w/out 'traditional' families) ...we live in hope...
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Forget human rights
You might be interested to read this:
LGBT rights in United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You won't exactly be welcomed with open arms.
PG
LGBT rights in United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You won't exactly be welcomed with open arms.
PG
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From: HERE AND THERE
CNN
Everyone, regardless of sexual orientation or ethnics have to be clearly in mind that UAE, like most of ME states, is nothing more than a medieval dictactorship, despite all the gleaming buildings, shopping malls etc.
There's nothing even remotely related to western democratic laws and human rights over there. Plenty of stories about that in this space.
They are gradually silencing independent media: CNN got even a fully equiped branch in Abu Dhabi, from were they broadcast a daily program. There's never been single criticism word about what goes on ME from CNN, as they have been pumped with millions from Qatar and UAE, just watch and see. Money definitely talks.
There's nothing even remotely related to western democratic laws and human rights over there. Plenty of stories about that in this space.
They are gradually silencing independent media: CNN got even a fully equiped branch in Abu Dhabi, from were they broadcast a daily program. There's never been single criticism word about what goes on ME from CNN, as they have been pumped with millions from Qatar and UAE, just watch and see. Money definitely talks.
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Thanks guys
I'm going to have a couple of visits out there, just to try and get a feel for the place.
I'm certainly not going to be advertising the fact, that I am gay, but should people ask from the company I will of course tell them the truth.
My partner is cabin crew and would probably be looking at joining the company also, I was wondering what the companies point of view would be on this? I.e I suppose they would see the same address and just think to lads sharing?
Would defo take the option of the allowance and live outside somewhere.
What is the companies allowance for accommodation, and would I still get a ride to work?
I'm going to have a couple of visits out there, just to try and get a feel for the place.
I'm certainly not going to be advertising the fact, that I am gay, but should people ask from the company I will of course tell them the truth.
My partner is cabin crew and would probably be looking at joining the company also, I was wondering what the companies point of view would be on this? I.e I suppose they would see the same address and just think to lads sharing?
Would defo take the option of the allowance and live outside somewhere.
What is the companies allowance for accommodation, and would I still get a ride to work?
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From: In the back of a bus
If your other half is CC, then he would be hired on a separate, different contract with differing benefits & accommodation (plenty of info about this in the CC wannabes section if he wants to look)
Edit: Check your PM for the rest..
Edit: Check your PM for the rest..
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I'm certainly not going to be advertising the fact, that I am gay, but should people ask from the company I will of course tell them the truth.
Now in a different life I'm partnered to my ME boyfriend but I respect his wishes not to mention anything about being gay to his friends or family. I can live with that out of respect to him.
Be careful about what you say and to whom.
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Don't worry about it, as some above posts have pointed out you will fit right in at emirates. But your sexuality in an Islamic country is illegal , even though most locals part take, and there are a couple of gay night clubs in Dubai so I have been told, from friends who I knew while being there. But be very aware that to keep it to yourself, so quite nasty circumstances can happen if you trust the wrong person.
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SI
Fair enough... I suppose I was just surprised that on this thread you weren't the sh!t-stirrer.... then again, it's all a bit obvious and probably all been done before, anyway 
Back to the thread, the main thing I've always heard from everyone (including the comapny) is... IF you choose to do anything that's contrary to the law, USUALLY there won't be a problem if you're only affecting yourself and not the wider community- e.g don't piss off the neighbours or get carried away in public (whether that be drinking, girls(guys), the odd fishing trip to catch Barracuda, etc etc etc etc...
As the induction people like to say, "there is no problem, until there's a problem"... keep this in mind if ever something happens and you are shacking up, think about how your house would look to others before you call an ambulance as the cops always show up too... if they think you're (as in,anyone) is living together when they shouldn't be, or up to anything they sholuldn't be...then, problem....
Back to the thread, the main thing I've always heard from everyone (including the comapny) is... IF you choose to do anything that's contrary to the law, USUALLY there won't be a problem if you're only affecting yourself and not the wider community- e.g don't piss off the neighbours or get carried away in public (whether that be drinking, girls(guys), the odd fishing trip to catch Barracuda, etc etc etc etc...
As the induction people like to say, "there is no problem, until there's a problem"... keep this in mind if ever something happens and you are shacking up, think about how your house would look to others before you call an ambulance as the cops always show up too... if they think you're (as in,anyone) is living together when they shouldn't be, or up to anything they sholuldn't be...then, problem....
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Thanks for your responses
As for bumming a ride to work mullah, I guess u will be the one picking me up, but don't be too disappointed if I turn u down, heard on the grapevine that the 777 fleet pilots are called the shrimp fleet. Tongue in cheek bend down and touch those toes boy lol
nice to see someone on here has a sense of humour!
Certainly has made me think that maybe this is not for me, might try Cathay or Korean.
Has any pilots been sacked at Emirates for being gay? For example, you do a night stop and information has got back to the company that one of the lads is gay?
As for telling colleagues about my sexual orientation, I don't see a way round it, especially if you re flying with a jack the lad guy who is asking, which tart with the cart u r lining up? I hate awkward silences.
Cheers
As for bumming a ride to work mullah, I guess u will be the one picking me up, but don't be too disappointed if I turn u down, heard on the grapevine that the 777 fleet pilots are called the shrimp fleet. Tongue in cheek
bend down and touch those toes boy lol nice to see someone on here has a sense of humour!Certainly has made me think that maybe this is not for me, might try Cathay or Korean.
Has any pilots been sacked at Emirates for being gay? For example, you do a night stop and information has got back to the company that one of the lads is gay?
As for telling colleagues about my sexual orientation, I don't see a way round it, especially if you re flying with a jack the lad guy who is asking, which tart with the cart u r lining up? I hate awkward silences.
Cheers
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From: Dubai - sand land.
Originally Posted by Mullah Kintyre
Well, let's put it this way: there's the real man's fleet - and then EK also has a large number of airbuses of varying type, quality and reliability "flown" with thumb and fore-finger only by a large number of limp-wristed, pink flight bag dragging, long sleeve wearing, brogue-shoed, high-trousered mincers who willingly submit to the shame and femininity of their plight.