Saudi Arabian Airlines Beware and true Facts
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It's not theft. It's "lazy incompetence". Send me a PM, then wait a few days and I'll try to get you an e-mail address to request the money back. Then wait 3-4 months and magically it will suddenly be in your account.
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A bit more news on SVA's "concern" for their pilots
Captain Khalid Mattar - An airline captain with Saudi Arabian Airlines died of a heart attack which began while on his flight from Jeddah to Dammam yesterday on 05 March 2011 following operational and medical negligence. He passed away yesterday at 12:50 at AlManna Hospital in the Eastern Province. His death was due to Saudi Arabian Airlines negligence, both operationally and medically.
His body arrived in Jeddah on board SV1115 today at 6:00pm; he will be buried tomorrow morning at Fajr in Makkah Insh Allah.
He was 36 years old and has a wife and five children. The funeral 'Azza' will be held in Jeddah at the intersection of Al Tahlia and Makarona streets.
Following a very stressful discussion with the Chief Operations Officer Abdulrahman AlMahboub of Saudi Arabian Airlines at the Flight Operations building at KAIA in Jeddah, Captain Mattar began his flight duty and proceeded to dispatch where he reviewed the flight documents, reviewed the weather, requirements and aircraft status.
The flight he was operating was scheduled to go from Jeddah to Dammam. The takeoff proceeded normally and en route to Dammam Captain Mattar advised the First Officer he was feeling pain in his chest and that he required medical assistance. The First Officer contacted Dammam Air Traffic Control and the Saudi Arabian Airlines Operations advising that medical assistance was required.
When the aircraft landed there was a delay for the medical assistance (even though they were advised of the situation). Following the delay of medical assistance at KFIA airport at Dammam the Captain was carried away in a stretcher. A doctor at the airport checked him and advised that he was OK and just needed to rest. Based on this Captain Mattar was sent to the Sheraton Hotel where he could rest.
(Based on the symptoms and situation the doctor's diagnosis was grossly negligent. The doctor could not positively say he was OK without further medical tests being done, at least an ECG, and the situation should have resulted in giving oxygen and medication while under medical observation).
After arriving at the Sheraton hotel Captain Mattar knew he was not well and requested to proceed to a hospital for medical treatment. He was transported to Tadawi General Hosptial in Dammam. Upon arriving at the hospital Captain Mattar was already immobile and the driver tried to get him out.
Tadawi General Hospital refused to accept Captain Mattar because as they stated 'Saudi Arabian Airlines has some past due bills with the hospital for which they had not been reimbursed and therefore would not admit him'.
Precious time was being wasted trying to get him critical medical care. Pleading with the hospital to accept him because he was dying was ignored and he was taken again through the streets of Dammam to Al Mana General Hospitals. Again, the hospital initially refused to accept the Captain because as they stated 'he has no medical insurance'.
The Sheraton Hotel contacted Al Mana hospital and pleaded with them to please accept the Captain and to charge it to the Sheraton Hotel. Captain Khalid Mattar died at the hospital and was pronounced dead just after midnight.
His family can be reached for confirmation of all these details at:
05054231067 (father of Captain Khalid Mattar)
0531599973 (Ali Mattar - brother)
اخواني الاعزاء سيصل الجثمان الساعة 6 مسا عن طريق الشحن و سيغسل بعد المغرب في مسجد اللامي ..... الدفن غدا الاثنين يصلى علية في المسجد الحرم بمكةفجرا.. صلاة الفجر ..ويرى الجثمان في المعلا... العزاء في جدة تقاطع التحلية مع المكرونة
تلفون والدة 05054231067
تلفون اخوة مساعد طيار علي مطر 0531599973
The fact that emergency medical care was denied while Captain Mattar was having a heart attack is a serious matter. This must be looked at with the hospitals and with the Ministry of Health.
The fact that Saudi Arabian Airlines does not provide appropriate medical coverage to its crew while they are away from Jeddah is another serious issue, in fact it is a violation of many laws of the countries the crew operate to.
Regardless of what may be said Saudi Arabian Airlines does not even provide coverage to their employees or the immediate families of employees who are out of the country and may need emergency treatment. Some people may get the medical treatment paid for by the company if they know someone at Corporate Head Quarters or at Saudia Medical management but for most employees or their families they must pay for any emergency medical treatment from their own funds and make a claim when they get back to Jeddah.
Medical coverage at Saudi Arabian Airlines is seriously lacking for an employer whose motto states "...a caring employer...".
His body arrived in Jeddah on board SV1115 today at 6:00pm; he will be buried tomorrow morning at Fajr in Makkah Insh Allah.
He was 36 years old and has a wife and five children. The funeral 'Azza' will be held in Jeddah at the intersection of Al Tahlia and Makarona streets.
Following a very stressful discussion with the Chief Operations Officer Abdulrahman AlMahboub of Saudi Arabian Airlines at the Flight Operations building at KAIA in Jeddah, Captain Mattar began his flight duty and proceeded to dispatch where he reviewed the flight documents, reviewed the weather, requirements and aircraft status.
The flight he was operating was scheduled to go from Jeddah to Dammam. The takeoff proceeded normally and en route to Dammam Captain Mattar advised the First Officer he was feeling pain in his chest and that he required medical assistance. The First Officer contacted Dammam Air Traffic Control and the Saudi Arabian Airlines Operations advising that medical assistance was required.
When the aircraft landed there was a delay for the medical assistance (even though they were advised of the situation). Following the delay of medical assistance at KFIA airport at Dammam the Captain was carried away in a stretcher. A doctor at the airport checked him and advised that he was OK and just needed to rest. Based on this Captain Mattar was sent to the Sheraton Hotel where he could rest.
(Based on the symptoms and situation the doctor's diagnosis was grossly negligent. The doctor could not positively say he was OK without further medical tests being done, at least an ECG, and the situation should have resulted in giving oxygen and medication while under medical observation).
After arriving at the Sheraton hotel Captain Mattar knew he was not well and requested to proceed to a hospital for medical treatment. He was transported to Tadawi General Hosptial in Dammam. Upon arriving at the hospital Captain Mattar was already immobile and the driver tried to get him out.
Tadawi General Hospital refused to accept Captain Mattar because as they stated 'Saudi Arabian Airlines has some past due bills with the hospital for which they had not been reimbursed and therefore would not admit him'.
Precious time was being wasted trying to get him critical medical care. Pleading with the hospital to accept him because he was dying was ignored and he was taken again through the streets of Dammam to Al Mana General Hospitals. Again, the hospital initially refused to accept the Captain because as they stated 'he has no medical insurance'.
The Sheraton Hotel contacted Al Mana hospital and pleaded with them to please accept the Captain and to charge it to the Sheraton Hotel. Captain Khalid Mattar died at the hospital and was pronounced dead just after midnight.
His family can be reached for confirmation of all these details at:
05054231067 (father of Captain Khalid Mattar)
0531599973 (Ali Mattar - brother)
اخواني الاعزاء سيصل الجثمان الساعة 6 مسا عن طريق الشحن و سيغسل بعد المغرب في مسجد اللامي ..... الدفن غدا الاثنين يصلى علية في المسجد الحرم بمكةفجرا.. صلاة الفجر ..ويرى الجثمان في المعلا... العزاء في جدة تقاطع التحلية مع المكرونة
تلفون والدة 05054231067
تلفون اخوة مساعد طيار علي مطر 0531599973
The fact that emergency medical care was denied while Captain Mattar was having a heart attack is a serious matter. This must be looked at with the hospitals and with the Ministry of Health.
The fact that Saudi Arabian Airlines does not provide appropriate medical coverage to its crew while they are away from Jeddah is another serious issue, in fact it is a violation of many laws of the countries the crew operate to.
Regardless of what may be said Saudi Arabian Airlines does not even provide coverage to their employees or the immediate families of employees who are out of the country and may need emergency treatment. Some people may get the medical treatment paid for by the company if they know someone at Corporate Head Quarters or at Saudia Medical management but for most employees or their families they must pay for any emergency medical treatment from their own funds and make a claim when they get back to Jeddah.
Medical coverage at Saudi Arabian Airlines is seriously lacking for an employer whose motto states "...a caring employer...".
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The fact is that Saudia provides FULL medical coverage for its employees while abroad. And there is no doubt about that. At the hotels there is always doctor on call . We can discuss for the incompetence of the doctor or negligence or whatever you wanna call it but Medical coverage is not an issue. The Saudia station abroad will even pay the taxi ride to the hospital. 2 times so far while was abroad a crew member was in need for doctor and hospital transfer and everything was taken care
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Cancelled health insurance
The FACT is the new DG for SVA cancelled the United health insurance for pilots and pilots' families living outside KSA, contradicting the benefits outlined in the job intro letter. This was verified by the head of insurance. You are NOT covered by Gulfmed outside KSA, and have to put money down upfront for any medical issues outside the kingdom while not on duty. The insurance board then reviews the bills and places a cap on reimbursement to basically what it would cost to have the procedure performed in the kingdom. Be VERY careful about working for SVA...
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Two local 777 skippers have been hospitalised that I can think of this year.
One ended up in a comma in Manila and the more recent one collapsed in Operations/briefing prior to departure.
Both were on back to back Manila/KSA/USA pairings.
One ended up in a comma in Manila and the more recent one collapsed in Operations/briefing prior to departure.
Both were on back to back Manila/KSA/USA pairings.
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@ULR777
Don't know if you fly for Saudia but some of your comments are totally wrong.
1) yes they have their way in doing things. I guess you have your own way in your house (don't forget,it's their company 70 years old. It's not a company based and run by expat managers with 15-20 years of establishment). Really if u didn't know that before you join SV then it's all your fault
2)yes there is no guidance for getting your id and iqamas etc but it's a no brainier .within 2-3 days you got everything you need .as you said people are friendly and helpful
3) I don't know what is your bank but with Saudia's certificate I had my account opened and cash cards and credit cards issued within one hour. After one year you are eligible for a loan with 1% interest
4) Training it's all about acting. Many average people checked on line because of the right attitude. Make them feel important use a lot of "YES SIR " "YOU ARE RIGHT SIR" (even if he is not ) and everything will be ok. On the other hand I know some excellent pilots who failed cause they did the exact opposite thing. They tried to demonstrate their knowledge,criticized the system etc etc and they got axed
Training syllabus was followed 100% . Line training instructors are very experienced and 90% of them are very easy come easy going people.Again it's a little bit of acting.
Yes training takes a long but you still got your salary and you are free to go back home. I did it 3 times
5) housing is the biggest problem.the waiting list is approaching 150 people now and there people with almost a year in the company that still live in the hotel
All in all if you got respect in their way of living and their habits and you are an average actor during training u got very good chances of get your self in line
Don't know if you fly for Saudia but some of your comments are totally wrong.
1) yes they have their way in doing things. I guess you have your own way in your house (don't forget,it's their company 70 years old. It's not a company based and run by expat managers with 15-20 years of establishment). Really if u didn't know that before you join SV then it's all your fault
2)yes there is no guidance for getting your id and iqamas etc but it's a no brainier .within 2-3 days you got everything you need .as you said people are friendly and helpful
3) I don't know what is your bank but with Saudia's certificate I had my account opened and cash cards and credit cards issued within one hour. After one year you are eligible for a loan with 1% interest
4) Training it's all about acting. Many average people checked on line because of the right attitude. Make them feel important use a lot of "YES SIR " "YOU ARE RIGHT SIR" (even if he is not ) and everything will be ok. On the other hand I know some excellent pilots who failed cause they did the exact opposite thing. They tried to demonstrate their knowledge,criticized the system etc etc and they got axed
Training syllabus was followed 100% . Line training instructors are very experienced and 90% of them are very easy come easy going people.Again it's a little bit of acting.
Yes training takes a long but you still got your salary and you are free to go back home. I did it 3 times
5) housing is the biggest problem.the waiting list is approaching 150 people now and there people with almost a year in the company that still live in the hotel
All in all if you got respect in their way of living and their habits and you are an average actor during training u got very good chances of get your self in line
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ULR777 , you are 100% correct & a helping hand to prospective joiners in your description. Whereas aloha has simply argued for the sake of argument ( interestingly most of the times he has further supported ULRs points). This airline is simply if you want to earn $$$ in a short span. For long term at least f/o's should forget about command. Ideal for narrow body guyz with unknown lo cost airlines to gain wide body experience. We have quite a few crap guyz flying with some really non professional attitudes and weak flying skills in their background but still surviving. Their luck...
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What happened to ULR777's post?
As for
Whatever gave them the impression that they would get command at all? Havent we said that due to their seniority numbers they would be waiting at least 10-15 years? And even then the company might keep bringing in direct hires to the left seat.
ULR777 deleted his own post, citing that he felt it was hopeless to post information on the thread, simply to be shot down by other users. 4HP
As for
For long term at least f/o's should forget about command
ULR777 deleted his own post, citing that he felt it was hopeless to post information on the thread, simply to be shot down by other users. 4HP
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I have a sneaky suspicion that the contracting F/O's, who have been told their command would come after one contract, will be offered command at the new low cost. I don't see another option for the company to fulfill the promises which they have made.
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