EK medical and color vision
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EK medical and color vision
Hi all,
I am considering EK for future employment, but I have a little concern about my medical.
I hold an unrestricted class 1 medical and have been flying on a medium jet since 2008 in EU. Whereas I failed the Ishihara test back in 2005 I succesfully gained my medical thanks to one of the alternative approved jaa tests for color vision.
Now, I have queried EK recruitment about this issue, and they told me they also use Ishihara and, in case of failure, the so called CAD test which dedects the seriousness of color deficiency.
As any of you guys gone through this new exam? Or was any issue raised by the UAE AME about your color vision, if any?
Of course theonly way to get a clear answer about my situation would be the assessment itself, but I wouldn't like to just fail without any previous feedback.
Thank you all,
Safe flying.
EH574
I am considering EK for future employment, but I have a little concern about my medical.
I hold an unrestricted class 1 medical and have been flying on a medium jet since 2008 in EU. Whereas I failed the Ishihara test back in 2005 I succesfully gained my medical thanks to one of the alternative approved jaa tests for color vision.
Now, I have queried EK recruitment about this issue, and they told me they also use Ishihara and, in case of failure, the so called CAD test which dedects the seriousness of color deficiency.
As any of you guys gone through this new exam? Or was any issue raised by the UAE AME about your color vision, if any?
Of course theonly way to get a clear answer about my situation would be the assessment itself, but I wouldn't like to just fail without any previous feedback.
Thank you all,
Safe flying.
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I passed the selection VERY recently. I have always had problems with the Ishihara tests. There are a very small number of people who are NOT colour blind but their brain cannot process the dots.
They use a computer based test instead. It is absolutely fine provided you pass it!!!
Please do not let the stress put you off. See a doc before you go and double check if you are unsure.
They use a computer based test instead. It is absolutely fine provided you pass it!!!
Please do not let the stress put you off. See a doc before you go and double check if you are unsure.
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Thanks for the info, but, as far as I underatood by reading the UAE GCAA medical requirements they intend to check color vision every 5 years till age 40 and every 2 years after that. So ,do they intend to question the entire situation again or is it like in EU? That is to say if you are color safe at initial medical then you are for the rest of your career.
That would be a disgrace to be dismissed because of that after 5 years,methink.
That would be a disgrace to be dismissed because of that after 5 years,methink.
EH, you do the dot test every year as part of your medical renewal when here. If you want to join, don't worry about this. Come do the interviews, do the medical and see what happens. If you pass you pass, if you don't you had a holiday in the sand. You will not be able to change the way the things are done here, and as this is the case, don't waste time worrying about things you have no control over. There will be plenty of other things to worry about once you join 
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Thanks for the infos, any idea how that thing is dealth with during renewals? Is the CAD test performed at the initial medical taken into account every time?
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From the LIPS website :
Submitted: 8th January 2011
Medical Condition: Vision
Details: Member claimed the condition was developed while at Emirates and after joining LIPS. The LIPS Committee required an additional medical evaluation, as per LIPS Rules which require the claimant to undergo additional medical evaluation, as necessary.
The member refused to undergo an additional medical evaluation by a specialist, as required by the LIPS Rules.
Claim was therefore denied, due to claimant unwilling to undergo further medical testing to ascertain congenital nature of ailment.
Mos : Call any of the LIPS Directors, instead of posting bullspit. Just ask.
Submitted: 8th January 2011
Medical Condition: Vision
Details: Member claimed the condition was developed while at Emirates and after joining LIPS. The LIPS Committee required an additional medical evaluation, as per LIPS Rules which require the claimant to undergo additional medical evaluation, as necessary.
The member refused to undergo an additional medical evaluation by a specialist, as required by the LIPS Rules.
Claim was therefore denied, due to claimant unwilling to undergo further medical testing to ascertain congenital nature of ailment.
Mos : Call any of the LIPS Directors, instead of posting bullspit. Just ask.
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The bloke in question is as genuine and honest as they come! As was his claim.LIPS continued to want more and more data. Every time he supplied them with their needs, they wanted something else.
Continual stalling.
Every other organization was happy with tests undertaken, - not LIPS !
As MosEisly puts it so well: "If you want to have more restrictive medical criteria for members of your organization then you should require a medical specifically for LIPS before you start accepting payment."
Continual stalling.
Every other organization was happy with tests undertaken, - not LIPS !
As MosEisly puts it so well: "If you want to have more restrictive medical criteria for members of your organization then you should require a medical specifically for LIPS before you start accepting payment."
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All of this makes me understand that EK AMEs can basically fail you for minor color vision issues even if the CAD test done at initial medical was good. Or am I missing something?
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The initial EK medical used to use the standard Ishihara test which involves reading the numbers hidden in the dots. This booklet is standard the world over and has been the same book for every pilot medical I have ever attended. It is very easy to "learn" the numbers even if you can't read them. I am not suggesting this is what has happened here as I don't have any information about the case but I think the EK initial medical now requires a full eye examination from an opthamologist which will pick up colour blindness in a much more reliable way.
Where i suspect LIPS are able to avoid paying out is the fact you are born with colour blindness therefore it is classed as a pre existing condition.
Where i suspect LIPS are able to avoid paying out is the fact you are born with colour blindness therefore it is classed as a pre existing condition.
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Mos,
LIPS are currently paying 3 legitimate claimants.
They will pay all legitimate claims as per the LIPS rules.
The LIPS commitee are entrusted to do what is best for the members.
Fraudulent claims are not paid.
Now, give us a break, stop bad-mouthing the scheme anonymously and call one of the directors!
Cheers.
LIPS are currently paying 3 legitimate claimants.
They will pay all legitimate claims as per the LIPS rules.
The LIPS commitee are entrusted to do what is best for the members.
Fraudulent claims are not paid.
Now, give us a break, stop bad-mouthing the scheme anonymously and call one of the directors!
Cheers.
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Mos,
I am not a LIPS director, member or even EK pilot.
Nevertheless I do know that the directors are volunteers, do not draw a salary but do invest a lot of their time to administering the scheme for the benefit of the members.
They have denied 2 claims and allowed 3.
LIPS can support 10 times the statistical average LoL claims.
And yes, all the above is available on the website.
I am not a LIPS director, member or even EK pilot.
Nevertheless I do know that the directors are volunteers, do not draw a salary but do invest a lot of their time to administering the scheme for the benefit of the members.
They have denied 2 claims and allowed 3.
LIPS can support 10 times the statistical average LoL claims.
And yes, all the above is available on the website.
Mos,
Reading through the rules I think you do have a point, but I can see where it is something of a grey area.
It seems like your friend had a pre existing condition that was missed initially. Note that being accepted as medically fit by EK is NOT the criteria for membership, and that the criteria for benefit is being eligible for Emirates Sick leave.
If your friend was NEVER QUALIFIED for a UAE medical, but EK and the GCAA gave him one in error, I do see that LIPS might have a case for non payment.
They do have a responsibility to safeguard our funds, and I'm sure didn't do this lightly.
In any case, I think you would be foolish to leave LIPS because you don't agree with one claim. I know several guys who would clearly have qualified for payment, and regret not being in the scheme.
No scheme is perfect, and you have every right to disagree with this case, but that's no reason to walk away from what, on the whole, is the best insurance available to us.
Reading through the rules I think you do have a point, but I can see where it is something of a grey area.
It seems like your friend had a pre existing condition that was missed initially. Note that being accepted as medically fit by EK is NOT the criteria for membership, and that the criteria for benefit is being eligible for Emirates Sick leave.
If your friend was NEVER QUALIFIED for a UAE medical, but EK and the GCAA gave him one in error, I do see that LIPS might have a case for non payment.
They do have a responsibility to safeguard our funds, and I'm sure didn't do this lightly.
In any case, I think you would be foolish to leave LIPS because you don't agree with one claim. I know several guys who would clearly have qualified for payment, and regret not being in the scheme.
No scheme is perfect, and you have every right to disagree with this case, but that's no reason to walk away from what, on the whole, is the best insurance available to us.
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I heard he had a problem when asked to trace the numbers on the Ishihara test with his finger cos the nurse did it out of sequence. Said that wasn't a test requirement when challenged. Who would know that?
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Seems to me that EK would either have to pay up or admit that their medical department had issued a medical when they shouldn't have done. No chance of the clinic admiting to a mistake like that.
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To LIPS I think it is a case of whether or not the guy knew he had a colour vision problem which would have made him ineligible for a GCAA licence. If he did know and had managed to cheat his way through the tests for a number of years (not a difficult thing to do) then it would be a pre-existing condition which he had not disclosed. No insurance company would pay up under those circumstances regardless of what Emirates or the GCAA had done.
I'm not a opthamologist (heck, I can barely spell it!) but I've never heard of somebody "becoming" colour blind. I always thought you were either born with it or you weren't.
I'm not a opthamologist (heck, I can barely spell it!) but I've never heard of somebody "becoming" colour blind. I always thought you were either born with it or you weren't.