EK flight deck crew INFO
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EK flight deck crew INFO
Hello,
I was wondering if any REAL EK pilots could shed some of their insight of certain aspects of life at EK for pilots.
Before i ask my questions, ill share a little information about my situation. I work for a decent legacy carrier in the U.S. (won't state which one, but if your observant then you should be able to figure it out; before i get a dumb comment, YES we are still two separate companies!) Due to the indecisive legal eagle that "runs" my company, i am actively looking for a new carrier that i can call my own. Ive been with my current company for 4 years, and served 8 years as a US Navy "go fast" pilot. Now that ive explained my self a bit, i have a few questions:
-What are the Co. accommodations like?
-How much do average FO's really get paid (monthly)?
-What is the attitude towards Americans in Dubai?
-How does travel for pilots work on the airline(STBY)(reduced ticket prices)?
-How is management?
(p.s.-I dont want to hear another disgruntled pilot gripe about how bad he has it at EK, join my airline and get t-bagged by management for a year and then we will talk)
Thanks to anyone that can help me out!
I was wondering if any REAL EK pilots could shed some of their insight of certain aspects of life at EK for pilots.
Before i ask my questions, ill share a little information about my situation. I work for a decent legacy carrier in the U.S. (won't state which one, but if your observant then you should be able to figure it out; before i get a dumb comment, YES we are still two separate companies!) Due to the indecisive legal eagle that "runs" my company, i am actively looking for a new carrier that i can call my own. Ive been with my current company for 4 years, and served 8 years as a US Navy "go fast" pilot. Now that ive explained my self a bit, i have a few questions:
-What are the Co. accommodations like?
-How much do average FO's really get paid (monthly)?
-What is the attitude towards Americans in Dubai?
-How does travel for pilots work on the airline(STBY)(reduced ticket prices)?
-How is management?
(p.s.-I dont want to hear another disgruntled pilot gripe about how bad he has it at EK, join my airline and get t-bagged by management for a year and then we will talk)
Thanks to anyone that can help me out!
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every single question you asked has heaps of information already posted in volumes on this forum
take the time, read the threads, and form your own opinion
some will gripe of course because it is not a bed of roses at EK but it is not all bad either
you have to decide if the cons are greater than the ones you are already facing
the glory days of EK are well and truly over and if you are looking for good management, this is not the place for you it's appalling and many things will make your toes curl compared to anything you have experienced stateside BUT if you can tolerate the one size fits all package and fully understand that you are only the hired help in this country then go for it
every single question you asked has heaps of information already posted in volumes on this forum
take the time, read the threads, and form your own opinion
some will gripe of course because it is not a bed of roses at EK but it is not all bad either
you have to decide if the cons are greater than the ones you are already facing
the glory days of EK are well and truly over and if you are looking for good management, this is not the place for you it's appalling and many things will make your toes curl compared to anything you have experienced stateside BUT if you can tolerate the one size fits all package and fully understand that you are only the hired help in this country then go for it
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Glory days?
When exactly were the glory days, then? I've been here since the beginning and I can't say I remember them but I would love to hear your experiences.
Bindair, be nice. If Cont777 was able to read he would have joined the Air Force.
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Here is my experience after a year, save you reading 100's of pages
-What are the Co. accommodations like? Very good particularly for FO's with Kids you get a nice villa with all expenses paid.
-How much do average FO's really get paid (monthly)? as it says on the website its about 25K Dirhams per month plus 45Dirhams per hour flown typically averages at 75 hours per month, some very small deductions for family health cover and 5% into your provident fund
-What is the attitude towards Americans in Dubai? we have over 80 nationalities on the flight deck, I don't believe Americans have any issues as a group here.
-How does travel for pilots work on the airline(STBY)(reduced ticket prices)? Staff travel is very good and the fares are good, certainly a very good staff travel perk compared to european carriers, however the Flights are very full so stby travel can be difficult, on the other hand the flights are Full...
-How is management? You will have to find out for yourself can be as bad as some airlines and better then others, I have heard stories to prove both sides of that argument.
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-What are the Co. accommodations like? Very good particularly for FO's with Kids you get a nice villa with all expenses paid.
-How much do average FO's really get paid (monthly)? as it says on the website its about 25K Dirhams per month plus 45Dirhams per hour flown typically averages at 75 hours per month, some very small deductions for family health cover and 5% into your provident fund
-What is the attitude towards Americans in Dubai? we have over 80 nationalities on the flight deck, I don't believe Americans have any issues as a group here.
-How does travel for pilots work on the airline(STBY)(reduced ticket prices)? Staff travel is very good and the fares are good, certainly a very good staff travel perk compared to european carriers, however the Flights are very full so stby travel can be difficult, on the other hand the flights are Full...
-How is management? You will have to find out for yourself can be as bad as some airlines and better then others, I have heard stories to prove both sides of that argument.
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hi conti
nuthin to see here
they,the astronauts got slapped away,by theire Masters with a 12 week lunch paket and some change....so you wont hear any bad music....all whipped in line like little dogs....till next spring when temps get high
nuthin to see here
they,the astronauts got slapped away,by theire Masters with a 12 week lunch paket and some change....so you wont hear any bad music....all whipped in line like little dogs....till next spring when temps get high
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You will probably see the left seat of an EK widebody (most likely 777 if you have that experience at CAL) much faster than you would at the combined UAL/CAL. But, you will have to make peace with living in the desert and accepting the cultural differences and the lack of union protections that you have become accustomed to in the States. From what I have been told, you really do need to visit Dubai first and then come with your eyes WIDE open...
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I appreciate the help from Iver, Varmint, and Gen. Dogsbody, Thank you guys for answering my questions!. To donpizmeov, Your ignorance proceeds you! Its OK tho, I can understand if your are some wash-out from PFI that got stuck with rotary wing for your military career because you just couldn't stomach pulling more than 2gs. If your were never involved in the military, I replace my last statement with a F$#@ YOU and have a nice day! 
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yeah,don is in the gang with neil armstrong and dr.ed....thinks he deserves 400k for missions from dxb to mct in his full automatic skylab
well he s a natural
falconeasydriver you cool
....thinks he deserves 400k for missions from dxb to mct in his full automatic skylabwell he s a natural
falconeasydriver you cool
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Those Navy gommers can't help them selves. Now flying a 1g jet but still think they're in the Hornet... Move on Conti you've turned professional. Come out for a look is the best way. Americans are treated like every one else, hired help.
Joenow, you have me confused with someone else. Neil Armstrong and Mr Ed were also Navy, so I was never in that gang.
Sign me up for the 400k to do MCT turns though Day time only ones too please.
Conti777, I think reading and comprehension are part of the computer based testing that EK uses now (if you use the search function on pprune you will find the details I am sure). Perhaps a quick brush up on that before your interview might help. I never flew fling wing, but when I see them doing beach patrols I sometimes wonder if I have missed out on something.
Good luck,
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Sign me up for the 400k to do MCT turns though
Day time only ones too please.Conti777, I think reading and comprehension are part of the computer based testing that EK uses now (if you use the search function on pprune you will find the details I am sure). Perhaps a quick brush up on that before your interview might help. I never flew fling wing, but when I see them doing beach patrols I sometimes wonder if I have missed out on something.
Good luck,
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falconeasydriver you cool
Connie777, General Dog sums up life nicely, keep your profile low and just blend in.
The only issue I've even seen a septic (septic-tank=yank) suffer from here is the sometimes pedantic approach to RT that certain chaps in the training Dept adhere too. Apart from that, if you have a pulse, an open mind and an understanding wife, you'll be fine.
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Hi...I also have a small question and before anyone asks...I used the search function which gave me my answer - but the answer was from 2005 
so just wanted to reconfirm....which family members are entitled to the staff tickets at emirates?
so just wanted to reconfirm....which family members are entitled to the staff tickets at emirates?
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Originally Posted by FalconEasy Driver
The only issue I've even seen a septic (septic-tank=yank) suffer from here is the sometimes pedantic approach to RT that certain chaps in the training Dept adhere too
Just my POV
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RT
Are you Brits still stuck on RT? Is that your biggest gripe?
When you have 30,000 commerical flights a day in the US you can't speak like you are in kindergarten. You have to say Emirates twenty eleven, not emirates two zero one one. It is so much faster to say twenty eleven and then you don't tie up the frequency.
When you get a contract that is worth it weight in salt you can point fingers. Until then we will speak fast and coherently and if you can't understand or keep up work on your contract and your pay.
When you have 30,000 commerical flights a day in the US you can't speak like you are in kindergarten. You have to say Emirates twenty eleven, not emirates two zero one one. It is so much faster to say twenty eleven and then you don't tie up the frequency.
When you get a contract that is worth it weight in salt you can point fingers. Until then we will speak fast and coherently and if you can't understand or keep up work on your contract and your pay.
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And "Fully Ready", established on the localizer, and descent on the glide does not garble up the frequency?
While we are at it a PDC at every airport would also help. The US got that in 1993.
While we are at it a PDC at every airport would also help. The US got that in 1993.
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Sorry Falcon - but I'm in that Pedantic bracket (having done my PPL, CPL, CFI, CFII etc in the US) whereby the Yanks speak sh1te RT...........
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I'm also with WK on this one!
In the States, everyone is on the same page, everyone speaks on the RT in a lazy, 'cool' (in their mind anyway) fashion and you know what... It works!
However, bring that pilot out of the US and deposit him over China, Africa or here, and he just sounds like an unprofessional tw@t!
Keep the crap RT Stateside boys and use standard RT here and youwaaaal get along just fine during your training!
Incidentally Swan, FYI the most congested Airspace on the planet is actually Western Europe (The South of the UK in particular) not the good 'ol US of A..... We manage just fine using standard RT. Give it a go buddy, you may be surprised!
In the States, everyone is on the same page, everyone speaks on the RT in a lazy, 'cool' (in their mind anyway) fashion and you know what... It works!
However, bring that pilot out of the US and deposit him over China, Africa or here, and he just sounds like an unprofessional tw@t!
Keep the crap RT Stateside boys and use standard RT here and youwaaaal get along just fine during your training!
Incidentally Swan, FYI the most congested Airspace on the planet is actually Western Europe (The South of the UK in particular) not the good 'ol US of A..... We manage just fine using standard RT. Give it a go buddy, you may be surprised!
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So what is standard? I have been around the whole world and everyone does it differntly to varing degress.
There is a reason the states is so easy to fly in. Good ATC, pilots who are professionally trained and when night time comes most pilots go to the bar where the captain pays for his crew.
The reason Western Europe is so congested is because there are not that many airways open for commercial traffic. Hence all the slot times.
I would have to look up weather Western Europe is the busiest place on earth as the bsuiest non US airport is CDG and that comes in at #11. In fact 16 out of the 20 busiest airports are all in the states. Before you socialist get your tit in a ringer I am citing movements not pax. After all this is a pilot forum not a boarding agents forum.
There is a reason the states is so easy to fly in. Good ATC, pilots who are professionally trained and when night time comes most pilots go to the bar where the captain pays for his crew.
The reason Western Europe is so congested is because there are not that many airways open for commercial traffic. Hence all the slot times.
I would have to look up weather Western Europe is the busiest place on earth as the bsuiest non US airport is CDG and that comes in at #11. In fact 16 out of the 20 busiest airports are all in the states. Before you socialist get your tit in a ringer I am citing movements not pax. After all this is a pilot forum not a boarding agents forum.