Saying your Squawk code.
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From: Ask my wife, mother or employer
One that I encountered today, was a Captain saying that the minimum rate of descent I have to do is 900fpm, else the traffic above will not get further descent clearance and we can stuff up their profile.
Anyone know of any reason why this may or may not be true? I was trying for a CDA, doing 500fpm at 7000ft, on profile at the time.
Anyone know of any reason why this may or may not be true? I was trying for a CDA, doing 500fpm at 7000ft, on profile at the time.
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From: Proud member of the " banned society"
And here I thought a Squwak code was to let ATC know to warn your girlfriend and advise her you're 100 miles from home and so is the wife! Code 68. I will owe ya one baby.. she's not flying back to her family for at least a month!
Silly me...
Silly me...
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From: Adrift upon the tides of fate
ask26; anyone above you being vertically separated is not landing on the same runway. Captains are notoriously bad at air traffic control. Ensure you use correct CRM when you point this out.
sassypilotswife- at last, some sense on this thread.
Quote (from a very wise friend) "mobile phones are transponders for wives- they squawk, you ident".
sassypilotswife- at last, some sense on this thread.
Quote (from a very wise friend) "mobile phones are transponders for wives- they squawk, you ident".
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From: Jew-Buy Mate
Not quite right
anyone above you being vertically separated is not landing on the same runway.
This topic has been covered before in other threads but perhaps a definitive answer from ATC would put it to rest. At a forum between Dubai ATC and a body of EK trainers last year the ATC boys asked for 1000'/min minimum rate of descent to free up airspace above. As a result of the STAR and other airspace constraints traffic inbound to DXB are normally well below profile, to mitigate this the crews reduce the rate of descent when they can. Perhaps if the controller wants a particular rate to achieve separation he or she should make it a requirement when giving the descent clearance.
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From: Adrift upon the tides of fate
As I said, Gulf News, Captains are notoriously bad at ATC. You are a Capt, right? Anyone at 7000' trying to do a CDA is not in the BUBIN or DESDI hold.
I agree. Which is why a Capt doing the ATC is a bad idea.
Perhaps if the controller wants a particular rate to achieve separation he or she should make it a requirement when giving the descent clearance.
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From: wallop
From a helicopter pilots perspective, in Afghanistan and other areas where there is alot of traffic in a small area, being verbose on the radio causes huge problems.
If everyone (USA, UK, UAE, Civillian) uses the same calls and procedures, traffic flows very well. It only takes one person to deviate, and all bets are off.
As aviators we all know well how long a certain call takes to make, and if the controller plays the game as well...things can be very slick.
Trying to get through Heathrow as a helicopter crossing 2 active runways requires timing and accuracy to get the correct radio call in!
The other maxim I suppose is that common sense should prevail! But when you are a new guy, use the handrail (Standard Op Procedures) provided!
Ralph
If everyone (USA, UK, UAE, Civillian) uses the same calls and procedures, traffic flows very well. It only takes one person to deviate, and all bets are off.
As aviators we all know well how long a certain call takes to make, and if the controller plays the game as well...things can be very slick.
Trying to get through Heathrow as a helicopter crossing 2 active runways requires timing and accuracy to get the correct radio call in!
The other maxim I suppose is that common sense should prevail! But when you are a new guy, use the handrail (Standard Op Procedures) provided!
Ralph
