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Old 8th Oct 2011, 07:28
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EK rosters

Hi there

Is there a way to see an actual EK roster without working there.

Could somebody post it or email it to me, an ex-EK maybe.

I am really interested in EK but I heard/read the new rosters suck

Thanks
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Old 8th Oct 2011, 08:50
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It is not possible to produce a representative roster. Every month is different and it also varies depending on fleet.
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Old 8th Oct 2011, 19:30
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What I ment is, in my company, we get our next month roster on our mail in PDF format around de 27 or the 28 of each month.

So, if that's the case could somebody fwd me let's say, september's roster or april's, specially a 777 fo roster.

Just to get an idea.
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Old 9th Oct 2011, 14:44
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But as has already been said, even on the 777 there is no typical roster.

I bid against long flights going eastbound but am happy to do ULR's westbound to the USA.

I have been averaging about 60 hours a month recently due to all the new hires coming online. Some months as low as 30, some as high as 80.

My yearly total is running at about 700.

I've done probably about 5-6 night turns in the last 12 months with mostly USA trips and EU trips, plus the odd CMB / LOS / CAN etc as layovers.

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Old 9th Oct 2011, 15:08
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It really depends on what is your preference. Some like ULR some avoid them, some like turns and others don't . So a better question would be what % of bid satisfaction do pilots average.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 16:14
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Hereís my estimation of a ďtypicalĒ Airbus 330 roster at Emirates.

Bottom Bid: A full month of night turns with 1 or 2 day turns or a layover if youíre lucky
2nd Bottom: A full month of night turns with 1 or 2 day turns or a layover if youíre lucky
Middle Bid: A full month of night turns with 1 or 2 day turns or a layover if youíre lucky
2nd Top: A full month of layovers with maybe 1 or 2 day or night turns
Top Bid: A full month of layovers with maybe a turn thrown in

I did run across one or two guys in the bottom 3 bid groups who did a little better, but those are outliers, definitely lucky and the exception to the rule. My theory is EK manually loads one to two of those a month to give guys false hope that itís really not so bad on the Airbus. Most guys I looked at got what I described above. Even the cabin crew know Airbus pilot rosters stink. And donít think youíre always going to get a layover in your bottom 3 bid months. They only assign you one if they canít get you enough hours with all the short-hop crap turns youíll be flying in the middle of the night.

And donít necessarily count on going to the 340 any time soon to improve your roster. There are a lot of FOs already waiting to go from the 330 to 340. Last I heard, they are only transitioning 4 FOs a month, which of course could change tomorrow. But all the 340-300s are slated to be gone by the end of 2012 whereas EK has decided to keep the 330s so youíll likely be getting lots of night turns for years to come. Yippee.

On the other hand, when I look at the rosters of mates on the 777 their trips, schedules, destinations and days off look WAY better. To me, the Airbus & Boeing fleets are almost like 2 different airlines. And youíre stuck on the Airbus if you accept it. Fleet transfer is rarely done, and only if it suits EKís needs.

My opinion: Do yourself a favor. Hold out for the 777.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 17:07
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Magic, how many night turns do you guys do before you get days off? and how many days off?

If it takes 4 years to get to the 340 then who is going to the 380?
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 07:24
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CF,

Guys going to the 380 have either been here a while or joined with a fair amount of time on aircraft with a MTOW of 55 tonnes or more so they can meet the 380 FO hard hours requirements. (See my post under EK 30 ton rule) A lot of 330/340 FOs are faced with the conundrum of whether to go to the 380 because 2 years in the super would likely delay their upgrade on the 330, but after a few years in the right seat of the 330/340, the 380 rosters can be very tempting. For what itís worth, EK did hire one direct entry 380 FO, who I believe flew the 380 at another airline.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 08:16
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He was a 380 FO with SQ.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 09:05
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Keep in mind that the 777 will be the india queen when the 330 are gone, might know more about the 359 in Nov, a new 777 fo does not have a 777 to upgrade on( as per the fleet plan). TC says he is more than happy with the 359 its the 350 1000 that has to meet the perf numbers. Is the 359 EIS still 2013 so far Airbus is sticking to that maybe nore in Nov as well.

A few years ago AB was the fleet to be on now its the 777/380 and if you beleive things dont change over night here at EK than go 777 enjoy and dont complain.

Nov ref is dxb airshow

How many 777 are there now ? 100 plus you would need 200 plus for an upgrade, ya ya most will be heavy crew and will need more Capts - maybe!
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 09:12
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Fatb,

The smart money for the DXB show is on an order for more 777 Freighters and the launch of the 777NG with EK as a launch customer. The only thing likely to replace 777s any time soon is upgraded 777s.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 09:54
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At the current rate it would be about 4 years for a new joiner FO to get to the 340
MagicCarpet - I know 4 FO's who joined in the autumn of 2010 who have 340 courses in November. Where are your figures from?

Do you have the 3000hr requirement yourself..?
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 11:12
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Wiz,

I agree but I dont think you will see a hugh new 777 order until the 777ng (2017), 777F yes a few maybe 10-12 and a few more 777 L/W s . Rumur in 30 380 ( 120 total) and 30 777( start the replacement progarm) at the airshow. Might see an update from Airbus about the 359 as well.I m guessing the 250 AC by 2020 might change but nothing offical on that yet. The talk lately is no planned move to DW stay at DXB. Terminal 2 to be rebuilt.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 17:29
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Originally Posted by Craggenmore View Post
I know 4 FO's who joined in the autumn of 2010 who have 340 courses in November. Where are your figures from?
Heard it last time I passed through the training college for a PPC. As of today there are 148 A330 FOs on property who joined in the past 12mo. If the current rate of 340 course doesnít pick up, it will likely be quite some time before a prospective new joiner would see the right seat of a 340, especially if the 340-300s are phased out next year as planned.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 19:24
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One new joiner from Qantas, 380 F/O. Of course he was put on the Boeing.
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Old 21st Nov 2011, 07:46
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So the 777 guys with the 'good' schedules are getting 13 days off? That doesn't seem like that great of a schedule to me.
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Old 21st Nov 2011, 08:12
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So the 777 guys with the 'good' schedules are getting 13 days off? That doesn't seem like that great of a schedule to me.
What a wonderfully insightful comment Mayby you should turn down the offer of an interview?
The last 3 months I've averages 15 days off, and 17 nights at home in bed
Honestly, guys get upset when they dont get the GVA they bid for to visit their girlfriend etc etc, but if you bid a little less specifically, as an F/O I get about 75% of what I ask for.
Oh yeah, rolling 3 month average is 88 hrs for me.
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Old 22nd Nov 2011, 18:35
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Change of fleet?

How does the bidding work for a change of fleet? Say you start on the 777 and (with no previous experience) you would like to switch to the 330/340 or even 380? Or the opposite from the 330/340 to the 777?
 
Old 22nd Nov 2011, 22:51
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what a crock

"as an F/O I get about 75% of what I ask for" ....thats about as accurate as the level of English in the rest of the post.

What a crock, a company stooge I would suggest.

More often than not you will get nothing of what you bid for.
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Old 23rd Nov 2011, 02:44
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Allaru, you might want to check your bidding strategy then... I am with falcon on this (777 LHS). But maybe your expectations are too high (or mine too low). But you cannot build your roster, just influence.
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