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Is the RT standard the same worldwide
, anything goes
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Varmint, If you use the UK CAA CAP413, you will be using 'standard RT'. It is JAR compliant (the rest of the world outside the US!!) and sounds much more professional than the crap spouted by certain N American 'cowboys'.
I too am sick to death of hearing 'Emirates 123 level three five oooohhhhh' or '4246 comin' down with the flash'. That sh1t might sound cool in the States my friend, but frankly it makes the rest of us want to vomit! BTW, it's not even standard in the US!!!
Get educated my friend and stop blaming everyone else for your lack of it!
For your future reference, if you stick rigidly to the SOP's, there is not one trainer that would be able to argue that you are in the wrong as you would be able to point out the error of their ways in 'the book'. So I can only surmise that you weren't clear on the SOP's from the outset? I guess that is the training depts fault as well??
I too am sick to death of hearing 'Emirates 123 level three five oooohhhhh' or '4246 comin' down with the flash'. That sh1t might sound cool in the States my friend, but frankly it makes the rest of us want to vomit! BTW, it's not even standard in the US!!!
Get educated my friend and stop blaming everyone else for your lack of it!
For your future reference, if you stick rigidly to the SOP's, there is not one trainer that would be able to argue that you are in the wrong as you would be able to point out the error of their ways in 'the book'. So I can only surmise that you weren't clear on the SOP's from the outset? I guess that is the training depts fault as well??
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All of you wimps and your RT. Is that all you have to bitch about?
How about getting a real contract or industry leading pay to go along with your industry leading profits that your company reported.
Who invented this industry? It seems like you chaps are the ones that have deviated from the norms.
When you have the amount of volume that the US has each day you can't speak like you are in kindergarten.
Thirty two fifty two takes half the time to say then one three two decimal five two zero. I graduated kindergarten 45 years ago and know how to speak. If you want to clog up the frequency with your rudementary english than go ahead. Just be sure to include yourself in the unprfessional catergory of wasting too much time on frequency.
And when you amateurs fly to the states speak like the cowboys do. Maybe when you start speaking like us you will start acting like us. Then that will carry over to pay as well as your "contract" or lack thereof.
How about getting a real contract or industry leading pay to go along with your industry leading profits that your company reported.
Who invented this industry? It seems like you chaps are the ones that have deviated from the norms.
When you have the amount of volume that the US has each day you can't speak like you are in kindergarten.
Thirty two fifty two takes half the time to say then one three two decimal five two zero. I graduated kindergarten 45 years ago and know how to speak. If you want to clog up the frequency with your rudementary english than go ahead. Just be sure to include yourself in the unprfessional catergory of wasting too much time on frequency.
And when you amateurs fly to the states speak like the cowboys do. Maybe when you start speaking like us you will start acting like us. Then that will carry over to pay as well as your "contract" or lack thereof.
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Well said tomcat!
You should see how professional EK trainning department is.
Only about 5-6 years behind the times.
The HR and Flight department is a complete joke. Total lack of regards and respect. And rule of law but that doesn't count in the middle east.
Some pilots actually like it here. Can't imagine what they came from to enjoy the treatment at Emirates.
You should see how professional EK trainning department is.
Only about 5-6 years behind the times.
The HR and Flight department is a complete joke. Total lack of regards and respect. And rule of law but that doesn't count in the middle east.
Some pilots actually like it here. Can't imagine what they came from to enjoy the treatment at Emirates.
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The EK R/T standard is not the UK CAAP. It's LIDO which is EUR-OPS, then refer to state differences for their specific requirements. CAAP 413 is for use in UK airspace only. I don't care what you use, just be clear and concise.
That's why we don't speak like you....
Maybe when you start speaking like us you will start acting like us
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And that explains the difference in pay, days off and the rest of your contract.
Don't let your jealousy get in the way of an industry leading contract.
The US gets over 100,000 applicants a day to work in the US.
Probably at least half the worlds population would literally give their left nut to work in the US. If you look at what the worlds pilots make compared to the US it is apples and oranges when you compare apples to apples.
That is DL or AA to Virgin, BA or Qantas.
Don't let your jealousy get in the way of an industry leading contract.
The US gets over 100,000 applicants a day to work in the US.
Probably at least half the worlds population would literally give their left nut to work in the US. If you look at what the worlds pilots make compared to the US it is apples and oranges when you compare apples to apples.
That is DL or AA to Virgin, BA or Qantas.
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Hey Tomcat as you seem to be a bit of a mines bigger than yours type of guy, I can absolutely GUARANTEE that my package is bigger than yours
A back taxed skippers total package here is around 1.2m AED pa or $330k
Of course you can slap on the $29k tax free bonus I just got, but I don't want to rub your nose in it!!
For all the nay sayers that are about to post crap denying the figures, work it out for yourselves. Make sure you include all the bits like Provident fund, 850hrs flying pa, a couple of kids in secondary school and of course take into account accommodation and back tax.
Also as this is a thread about trainers' pay, a TRI could slap another $38k on top, so for the 12 months May '11 to May '12, he will be earning the equivalent of close to $400k. Now, what was your point again?
Days off? Guys on the Boeing and A380 are getting upto 15 days off per month. You?
A back taxed skippers total package here is around 1.2m AED pa or $330k
Of course you can slap on the $29k tax free bonus I just got, but I don't want to rub your nose in it!!
For all the nay sayers that are about to post crap denying the figures, work it out for yourselves. Make sure you include all the bits like Provident fund, 850hrs flying pa, a couple of kids in secondary school and of course take into account accommodation and back tax.
Also as this is a thread about trainers' pay, a TRI could slap another $38k on top, so for the 12 months May '11 to May '12, he will be earning the equivalent of close to $400k. Now, what was your point again?
Days off? Guys on the Boeing and A380 are getting upto 15 days off per month. You?
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Gee.... Chaps. Bitching about this and that.....
Do the job you are paid for or pack up your family and go home. It will make you happier and live longer.
Be safe, efficient and legal and noone can touch you. Yes instructors will give you techniques, if there is not a set procedure. ie ANC AAM is very loose, so some guys will help out and tell a trainee and alternative way of managing a problem. Thats how I got thru my command with a little help from an instructor.
Only teaching SOP and layed down policies is not really instruction. Finding the root cause of your problem and correcting it is.
Do the job you are paid for or pack up your family and go home. It will make you happier and live longer.
Be safe, efficient and legal and noone can touch you. Yes instructors will give you techniques, if there is not a set procedure. ie ANC AAM is very loose, so some guys will help out and tell a trainee and alternative way of managing a problem. Thats how I got thru my command with a little help from an instructor.
Only teaching SOP and layed down policies is not really instruction. Finding the root cause of your problem and correcting it is.
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Still a bit upset about not getting that DEC gig TOMCAT? Let it go, I am sure it was just an administrative error that kept such a high caliber application as yours out of the company. 
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Varmint, sounds like you may be on the Boeing then. Sorry about that.
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Please let us know how you get an EXTRA $38K/year as TRI. Else stop spreading this cr@p.
I don't think they would be begging for trainers for $38K...
From what I've heard from friends, it's not worth it unless you want to be in Dubai all the time....
5star.
I don't think they would be begging for trainers for $38K...
From what I've heard from friends, it's not worth it unless you want to be in Dubai all the time....
5star.
That's base. There is also extra if more than 12 training duties are completed in a month. Probably means another 3 or 4k US.
Plus trainers are getting productivity at the moment as they are doing huge hours.
So yes, it's more money, but you work for it!
Plus trainers are getting productivity at the moment as they are doing huge hours.
So yes, it's more money, but you work for it!
Payscale have you seen those new numbers for a TRI officially yet? Or is it still only being talked about? Will it be effective 1st May?
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No but was in ETC last Thursday. Someone from the 2 floor told that all that will be in the package this year. 1000 dids more. Lets see it in writing, but that the word anyway.
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5 Star, no problem mate.....
8500x12=102000 x 40% tax = 142800 / 3.65 = $39k (sorry I under estimated it by a grand!)
Varmint, you are clearly from North America because you have been brought to task about your non standard RT. It is also evident that you are from that neck of the woods as you have not turned up prepared for a sim and require spoon feeding
There is NOT ONE trainer in this company who would OR could argue against or mark you down for not using prescribed SOP's. I suggest you 'recollection' of events is somewhat smudged by the fact you think the entire training department is crap and has it in for you. Strange that 99% of your colleagues don't seem to have the same issues yet you have had issues with at least 2 trainers probably more. At some point you may well have to look within! Toughen up partner.
Tomcat, believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around your motherland. If the aviation industry is so splendid in the good 'ol US of A, why is it that the vast majority of our current applicants are from there? The second largest nationality of pilots in EK now is from the US (after the UK of course
). Also you guys may well have pioneered Powered Flight, but lets face it it was PERFECTED else where..... Twas the Brits who invented the Jet Engine, the FIRST Jet Airliner and Autoland to name a few and of course ENGLISH (not American English) is the international RT language!
Also for your information, statistically the most congested section of airspace on the planet is in Southern England (the London TMA to be exact), but clearly as you have no experience outside of NA you couldn't be expected to know that!!
8500x12=102000 x 40% tax = 142800 / 3.65 = $39k (sorry I under estimated it by a grand!
)Varmint, you are clearly from North America because you have been brought to task about your non standard RT. It is also evident that you are from that neck of the woods as you have not turned up prepared for a sim and require spoon feeding
There is NOT ONE trainer in this company who would OR could argue against or mark you down for not using prescribed SOP's. I suggest you 'recollection' of events is somewhat smudged by the fact you think the entire training department is crap and has it in for you. Strange that 99% of your colleagues don't seem to have the same issues yet you have had issues with at least 2 trainers probably more. At some point you may well have to look within! Toughen up partner.
Tomcat, believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around your motherland. If the aviation industry is so splendid in the good 'ol US of A, why is it that the vast majority of our current applicants are from there? The second largest nationality of pilots in EK now is from the US (after the UK of course
). Also you guys may well have pioneered Powered Flight, but lets face it it was PERFECTED else where..... Twas the Brits who invented the Jet Engine, the FIRST Jet Airliner and Autoland to name a few and of course ENGLISH (not American English) is the international RT language!Also for your information, statistically the most congested section of airspace on the planet is in Southern England (the London TMA to be exact), but clearly as you have no experience outside of NA you couldn't be expected to know that!!