7 EK Captains resign at same time?
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From: Arizona USA
I expect plenty of suitable applications reside in the HR department (via direct entry) to fill the 'void'.
This same scenario occured in SV, in the mid-eighties, when GOSI insurance/retirement benefits were summarily canceled, by Royal Decree.
Overtime ensued, until suitable replacement Commanders (direct entry Commanders, no less) were recruited.
Then, back to normal...83 hours/month.
Those that remained received an extra bonus...and smiled all the way to the bank.
Few misinformed malcontents in the middle east today...don't have a clue.
Sad...but true.
I can only...LOL at their antics/obtuse comments.
NB.
Expect 1,000 annual hours to be proposed by the local regulatory authority.
FAA approved for flights to the USA?
Already done.
This same scenario occured in SV, in the mid-eighties, when GOSI insurance/retirement benefits were summarily canceled, by Royal Decree.
Overtime ensued, until suitable replacement Commanders (direct entry Commanders, no less) were recruited.
Then, back to normal...83 hours/month.
Those that remained received an extra bonus...and smiled all the way to the bank.
Few misinformed malcontents in the middle east today...don't have a clue.
Sad...but true.
I can only...LOL at their antics/obtuse comments.
NB.
Expect 1,000 annual hours to be proposed by the local regulatory authority.
FAA approved for flights to the USA?
Already done.
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From: Tatooine
411A, they probably will approve 1000 hours but without any factoring which is the big bone of contention right now. 1000 hours WITHOUT factoring bring them in line with FAA FTLs. They could also approve 30/7 and 100/month sans factoring and most would be happy.
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From: Arizona USA
1000 hours WITHOUT factoring bring them in line with FAA FTLs. They could also approve 30/7 and 100/month sans factoring and most would be happy.
Now, if the airline was to have an incident or accident in the USA, and the FAA took a close look at the factoring applied...they would not be pleased.
Withdrawal of landing rights in the USA would be a distinct possibility.
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From: A land far, far away
Banana,
Do you really think some skippers here would dread or fear resigning? I mean, honestly, you really think that's the case?
I'd guess they're good guys who just had enough and wanted to make a statement for the rest of us. As you would know (if you work here), there are a LOT of really good guys and gals here and things are getting tougher and $hittier every month that passes. I'd say that if we had a good gig to move on to, well over 50% would move on. I've personally flown with some guys in the last few months that have passed interviews and are one foot out the door. And before any of you guys freak, remember, some of us have wives that can make up the difference of any massive paycut.
Me, I might do what they said above given the choice, but most likely I would walk in, chin high and be the happiest I've been in a long time handing over the letter. In fact, the $hit eating grin might be blinding!
Kudos to them and to all that move on.
CO
Do you really think some skippers here would dread or fear resigning? I mean, honestly, you really think that's the case?
I'd guess they're good guys who just had enough and wanted to make a statement for the rest of us. As you would know (if you work here), there are a LOT of really good guys and gals here and things are getting tougher and $hittier every month that passes. I'd say that if we had a good gig to move on to, well over 50% would move on. I've personally flown with some guys in the last few months that have passed interviews and are one foot out the door. And before any of you guys freak, remember, some of us have wives that can make up the difference of any massive paycut.
Me, I might do what they said above given the choice, but most likely I would walk in, chin high and be the happiest I've been in a long time handing over the letter. In fact, the $hit eating grin might be blinding!
Kudos to them and to all that move on.
CO
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From: In the sandy.
Hi Craic,
Happiest day I had in a long time, when I resigned.
Ironically one of my other happiest days was when I got the job 12 years earlier.
Unfortunately in my time at EK it was all downhill. Only the gradient varied.
MW.
Happiest day I had in a long time, when I resigned.
Ironically one of my other happiest days was when I got the job 12 years earlier.
Unfortunately in my time at EK it was all downhill. Only the gradient varied.
MW.
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Few misinformed malcontents in the middle east today...don't have a clue.
Sad...but true.
Sad...but true.
You're the one who doesn't have a clue old mate! Sad........but true.
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From: not in Dubai anymore
FM,
7 guys that resign, have the same day OFF, highly unlikely, if you would have heard it from HR ok but from a guy who does recruiting? the guys in recruiting are professional liars, just ask the newbies what they were promised by the recruiters.
7 guys that resign, have the same day OFF, highly unlikely, if you would have heard it from HR ok but from a guy who does recruiting? the guys in recruiting are professional liars, just ask the newbies what they were promised by the recruiters.
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From: Jew-Buy Mate
Even if the rumour is true I doubt that it was as high a drama moment as is being portrayed. In a company of 35000+ employees the end of service machine is well lubricated. An email to the fleet manager is all that is required and the whole process kicks into gear. They do not want to know your name,how long you have been with the company or reasons for resigning. They will only want your staff number, you are then sent an exit pack by email which details all of the requirements you have to fulfill before departure.
Some people watch too much television.In an expat company the size of Emirates no one gives a !!!!! if you resign. 7 Captains in one month will raise an eyebrow but that is about all. Life will go on as before.
Some people watch too much television.In an expat company the size of Emirates no one gives a !!!!! if you resign. 7 Captains in one month will raise an eyebrow but that is about all. Life will go on as before.
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From: Crawley, Surrey
They do not want to know your name,how long you have been with the company or reasons for resigning. They will only want your staff number, you are then sent an exit pack by email which details all of the requirements you have to fulfill before departure
Some people watch too much television.In an expat company the size of Emirates no one gives a !!!!! if you resign
These are the sad facts a lot of the expats in EK have never been able to grasp
Some people watch too much television.In an expat company the size of Emirates no one gives a !!!!! if you resign
These are the sad facts a lot of the expats in EK have never been able to grasp
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From: Treetops
.......
And ignorant people sleep in their beds
Like the doped white mice in the college lab
Nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before
And they'll all be lonely tonight and lonely tomorrow
And ignorant people sleep in their beds
Like the doped white mice in the college lab
Nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before
And they'll all be lonely tonight and lonely tomorrow
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From: Dunesville
The Significant 7
7 is a significant number when EK need to recruit and not lose pilots. I have no doubt that the powers that be are deaf and blind to any or all warnings and would need 10 similar groups to do the same before they acknowledge the problem.
The pilots would have left 'officially' for personal reasons, but as we all know it is primarily because of the rot in conditions and subsequent decline in life style. The irony is that any resignations leaves those behind with more to do and the cycle continues. We cannot recruit and train fast enough to keep up with new routes and new aircraft. Any resignations are significant ones and they will find any means to factor us to make up for the loss. The problem is that as the expansion continues they never catch up with the numbers they need and what starts as a temporary measure becomes the norm.
Emirates is facing significant problems. The 'record' profits are being used to sure up the crumbling economy. Much of it is paying for or guaranteeing government debts on completed projects all around Dubai. We can all see the incomplete road projects that have stopped pending payment. 50 sub-contractors for example are owed money on completed works at the airport alone. Some are owed hundreds of millions, one over half a billion, and Emirates, the airline, is being used as a guarantor. If they default another financial earthquake will follow.
Externally they are threatened by increasingly protectionist governments heavily lobbied by their airlines. However you feel about the justification for this it WILL cost EK more.
With restrictions on new routes and more aircraft on the way, with penalties attached if deferred, the future is a turbulent one.
IMO one of, if not, the main problem that will effect not only EK but other airlines will be the availability, or lack thereof, of suitable pilots. The shortage is being felt now. EK is not the airline it once was and is facing increasing competition for new pilots and demand for their existing ones. Other airlines need pilots too, lots of them. Demographically a significant number of pilots are retiring as they reach 65. In the interim there has been no significant training to replace them. Any new training will only fill the RHS. It is the shortage of LHS experience on the exact types we fly and on the routes we operate that are in demand. Boeing have already warned that 20,000 new pilots (and engineers) are required EVERY YEAR to fill current and planned airline requirements.
A few years ago you would only rarely hear of pilots going to Korean, Thai, Turkish, Vietnam etc. Now it is becoming relatively common and with ANA due to enter soon (looking specifically for 777 pilots to fly their 787 on tailored expat terms), more will be looking at their options.
Interesting times ahead.
The pilots would have left 'officially' for personal reasons, but as we all know it is primarily because of the rot in conditions and subsequent decline in life style. The irony is that any resignations leaves those behind with more to do and the cycle continues. We cannot recruit and train fast enough to keep up with new routes and new aircraft. Any resignations are significant ones and they will find any means to factor us to make up for the loss. The problem is that as the expansion continues they never catch up with the numbers they need and what starts as a temporary measure becomes the norm.
Emirates is facing significant problems. The 'record' profits are being used to sure up the crumbling economy. Much of it is paying for or guaranteeing government debts on completed projects all around Dubai. We can all see the incomplete road projects that have stopped pending payment. 50 sub-contractors for example are owed money on completed works at the airport alone. Some are owed hundreds of millions, one over half a billion, and Emirates, the airline, is being used as a guarantor. If they default another financial earthquake will follow.
Externally they are threatened by increasingly protectionist governments heavily lobbied by their airlines. However you feel about the justification for this it WILL cost EK more.
With restrictions on new routes and more aircraft on the way, with penalties attached if deferred, the future is a turbulent one.
IMO one of, if not, the main problem that will effect not only EK but other airlines will be the availability, or lack thereof, of suitable pilots. The shortage is being felt now. EK is not the airline it once was and is facing increasing competition for new pilots and demand for their existing ones. Other airlines need pilots too, lots of them. Demographically a significant number of pilots are retiring as they reach 65. In the interim there has been no significant training to replace them. Any new training will only fill the RHS. It is the shortage of LHS experience on the exact types we fly and on the routes we operate that are in demand. Boeing have already warned that 20,000 new pilots (and engineers) are required EVERY YEAR to fill current and planned airline requirements.
A few years ago you would only rarely hear of pilots going to Korean, Thai, Turkish, Vietnam etc. Now it is becoming relatively common and with ANA due to enter soon (looking specifically for 777 pilots to fly their 787 on tailored expat terms), more will be looking at their options.
Interesting times ahead.
Last edited by Marooned; 16th December 2010 at 11:32.
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Marooned....
Spot on old chap!
And with all the subcontractors demanding their backpay.... to those thinking the pilots of EK will be getting 14 plus weeks bonus.... guess again. I've heard any of that monies will be going straight to the city of Dubai to pay everyone they've not payed in months and years now.
A billion dollars net profit last year and they offer 3 weeks bonus??? Double that profit for this year.... maybe 6 weeks at best, not the 14-16 weeks I keep hearing about.
K
Spot on old chap!
And with all the subcontractors demanding their backpay.... to those thinking the pilots of EK will be getting 14 plus weeks bonus.... guess again. I've heard any of that monies will be going straight to the city of Dubai to pay everyone they've not payed in months and years now.
A billion dollars net profit last year and they offer 3 weeks bonus??? Double that profit for this year.... maybe 6 weeks at best, not the 14-16 weeks I keep hearing about.
K