EK DEC's- Future Recruitment?
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Fliion,
I'm a former RJ Capt, I will be bypassed for upgrade on the T7, and as soon as a major hires me I'm outta here inspite of the initial financial setback. I will not look back and know dozens of other guys who have the exact same mindset.
Few will stay, many will leave.
FP
I'm a former RJ Capt, I will be bypassed for upgrade on the T7, and as soon as a major hires me I'm outta here inspite of the initial financial setback. I will not look back and know dozens of other guys who have the exact same mindset.
Few will stay, many will leave.
FP
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The new Delta has over 12,000 pilots and that's just 1 airline.
Time will tell.
Time will tell.
Continental has already recalled everyone...hiring now.
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well it's Dec 2010 and there is @250 pilots from the USA lets see what that number is next year and the year after that. And good luck to those that leave, some will be happy you did.
WVT,
Things are different than in the past as-
1) the US is facing large scale retirements due to it being 5 years since they changed from 60 to 65 for retirement.
2) EK has a much larger number of US pilots then previously (It was less than 50 four years ago).
3) The US guys tend to be the younger, more mobile demographic.
We are at capacity training at the moment only counting for "Historic" levels of attrition (which I believe we are now exceeding) and expected aircraft arrivals.
Each pilot who leaves is one less on establishment for the around two years we'll be playing catch-up, unless they go for third-party training, which has been a disaster in the past!!
Things are different than in the past as-
1) the US is facing large scale retirements due to it being 5 years since they changed from 60 to 65 for retirement.
2) EK has a much larger number of US pilots then previously (It was less than 50 four years ago).
3) The US guys tend to be the younger, more mobile demographic.
We are at capacity training at the moment only counting for "Historic" levels of attrition (which I believe we are now exceeding) and expected aircraft arrivals.
Each pilot who leaves is one less on establishment for the around two years we'll be playing catch-up, unless they go for third-party training, which has been a disaster in the past!!
, 
. Blimey!!
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FUSE PLUG,
Re. your point. Many of the RJ guys will, I have no doubt, be pissed off at bypass (and rightly so) however...when truly confronted with a 'Major' offer, it will be a tougher call to leave somewhere when upgrade on a heavy is within striking distance for the slog of 3-4 legs a day, multiple years on reserve, upgrade in 2025, and flying a Mad Dog with some miserable biatch telling you to '...get out of my galley..'...
At the end of the day even with upgrade FCI, you will still get your command here quicker...and it beats doing the Atlanta-LGA-MEM run everyday in a DC-9.
Throw in the fact that taxes, utilities, transport (you will need 2 cars now if married), healthcare etc, are all on top...So the exodus that gets talked about...not buying it.
f.
Re. your point. Many of the RJ guys will, I have no doubt, be pissed off at bypass (and rightly so) however...when truly confronted with a 'Major' offer, it will be a tougher call to leave somewhere when upgrade on a heavy is within striking distance for the slog of 3-4 legs a day, multiple years on reserve, upgrade in 2025, and flying a Mad Dog with some miserable biatch telling you to '...get out of my galley..'...
At the end of the day even with upgrade FCI, you will still get your command here quicker...and it beats doing the Atlanta-LGA-MEM run everyday in a DC-9.
Throw in the fact that taxes, utilities, transport (you will need 2 cars now if married), healthcare etc, are all on top...So the exodus that gets talked about...not buying it.
f.
Fred,
Yes aware of that, but it's a few of the FFS sesions, not the complete type rating.
When they were sending guys to London, Germany and Singapore for an entire, turn-key type rating, the results were pretty dire.
Yes aware of that, but it's a few of the FFS sesions, not the complete type rating.
When they were sending guys to London, Germany and Singapore for an entire, turn-key type rating, the results were pretty dire.
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Not just a few, they can do up to lesson 8 w/ the new hires, have a lesson or two with EK guys, then EK guys do the check. Third party training is occurring.
Albiet it is done to a higher standard then before.
Albiet it is done to a higher standard then before.
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At the end of the day even with upgrade FCI, you will still get your command here quicker...and it beats doing the Atlanta-LGA-MEM run everyday in a DC-9.
Hmm, fliion, that seems like heaven, compared to all nighters to the sub continent a number of times a month. No brainer. Maybe even ATL-MCO-MIA. Daytime flying, excellent facilities and alternates, Jepps, contractual flying. Forget it, been said a thousand times before here. Oh, and 30 in 7, even in a 60s era aircraft.
Hmm, fliion, that seems like heaven, compared to all nighters to the sub continent a number of times a month. No brainer. Maybe even ATL-MCO-MIA. Daytime flying, excellent facilities and alternates, Jepps, contractual flying. Forget it, been said a thousand times before here. Oh, and 30 in 7, even in a 60s era aircraft.
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Have to agree with Tango on this one.... It's just a few things at EK that irk the Canucks and Yanks... major one being no support structure and another being the contractual changes made at EK at will vs what those guys all thought they'd signed up for. To North American's when a contract is signed, it's law.... pure and simple. No changes allowed unless you negotiate. Major difference. Things like that will indeed cause the exodus to occur. Not now but within 12 -18 months just when EK needs the pilots the most. In my opinion.
I chatted up two EK captains in the past few months both of whom are from the US and when asked, they BOTH said they planned on going back to their respective airlines when recalled. That was a shock to me to say the least. I think the North American guys have a differing view on quality of life issues....
K
I chatted up two EK captains in the past few months both of whom are from the US and when asked, they BOTH said they planned on going back to their respective airlines when recalled. That was a shock to me to say the least. I think the North American guys have a differing view on quality of life issues....
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some good news
777 First Officer
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Thats a bit optimistic for DAL. I think 12 guys turn 65 next year and it increases through 2017.The real question is how many stay till 65. I think you will see folks bail in the 62/63 range and that unknown will increase hiring. Internal gossip says 600 new hires in 2011.
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You can find all the US retirement data at www.airlinepilotcentral.com
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Ryan International....
If you figure on $3700 per month, your average tax without State witholding is around $834 (Medicare, SocSec, IRS,,,and that includes allowance)
$2800...to fly a 777.
...seriously
f.
If you figure on $3700 per month, your average tax without State witholding is around $834 (Medicare, SocSec, IRS,,,and that includes allowance)
$2800...to fly a 777.
...seriously
f.
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Hi!
Delta is hiring.
Continental is done recalling, and will be recalling/hiring in coordination with UAL.
American is recalling, and will be hiring soon.
SWA/AirTran is hiring, and planning on a big expansion next year.
USAir is hiring.
Alaska is hiring.
Atlas/World/Kalitta/Evergreen/Southern are hiring.
ALL of the regional airlines are hiring/recalling.
American Eagle, the largest regional, just had Capt upgrades go from 12 years down to less than 5.
$3700/month for Ryan Intntl FO:
The pay is actually very good starting pay for the US, and one of the reasons why there ARE so many expats.
$3700/month for a 1st year FO is more 1st year pay than:
American
United
Continental
UPS
USAir
Alaska
Hawaiin
ANY regional airline
Most of the charter airlines
In fact, which US airlines pay MORE to first year FOs than Ryan?
The only ones I can think of are Delta, FedEx and Atlas.
cliff
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With A Recession bigger than Japan's, which shall be lasting for much much longer, although the propaganda machine would never put that way, what will they go home to?
Continental is done recalling, and will be recalling/hiring in coordination with UAL.
American is recalling, and will be hiring soon.
SWA/AirTran is hiring, and planning on a big expansion next year.
USAir is hiring.
Alaska is hiring.
Atlas/World/Kalitta/Evergreen/Southern are hiring.
ALL of the regional airlines are hiring/recalling.
American Eagle, the largest regional, just had Capt upgrades go from 12 years down to less than 5.
$3700/month for Ryan Intntl FO:
The pay is actually very good starting pay for the US, and one of the reasons why there ARE so many expats.
$3700/month for a 1st year FO is more 1st year pay than:
American
United
Continental
UPS
USAir
Alaska
Hawaiin
ANY regional airline
Most of the charter airlines
In fact, which US airlines pay MORE to first year FOs than Ryan?
The only ones I can think of are Delta, FedEx and Atlas.
cliff
MIA