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Old 28th Nov 2010, 13:39
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Privatising Emirates?

With the ongoing debt crisis in Dubai, the speculation is that Emirates could be one of the targets to be privatised to help settle the debt.

This is according to an article in the paper today.
 
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Ummm, it already is private

Do you mean they could go public with a stock offering to raise cash?


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Got a link to the article?
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Yes would love to see the article
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After a year of living dangerously, Dubai is getting back to basics
Jack Hughes, Dubai, November 27, 2010

DUBAI will never be the same again. The tourists will still fill Jumeirah's golden beaches, the traffic will speed dangerously along Sheikh Zayed Road and the hedonistic bars and night clubs will still pulsate into the early hours.

But the past year has utterly changed the ethos of the glitzy Gulf emirate. The crisis that exploded a year ago has dealt a serious blow to Dubai's self-confidence and its grandiose plans to be the Middle East's financial capital.

The events triggered by what is known locally as 25/11 - the date on which Dubai World, the heavily indebted conglomerate, told its creditors that it could not repay about $US25 billion of debts as planned - will continue to have profound effects on the economic, financial and political character of the emirate.

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Dubai will recover, and may even in time regain some of its swagger, but it will be a long process and the emirate that emerges at the other end will not be the same brash millionaires' playground it was in early 2007.

In February of that year, Dubai's hubris was at its peak. Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, its ruler, forecast that by 2015, Dubai would be ''an Arab city of global significance, rivalling Cordoba and Baghdad''. That his benchmarks were the two urban jewels of Muslim culture at the height of the mediaeval Islamic empire demonstrated the scale of the ambition.

The financial crisis has dashed that vision forever. The strategy was predicated on annual growth in gross domestic product of 13.5 per cent a year - always an ambitious target but now in the realms of fantasy.

Simon Williams, chief Middle East economist at HSBC, believes that GDP for the United Arab Emirates as a whole (Dubai is just one emirate out of seven making up the federation) fell by nearly 2.9 per cent in 2009, and will rise by a modest 2 per cent this year and 4.1 per cent next. Given that most of that will be led by the oil-rich capital Abu Dhabi, it is likely that Dubai's growth will be negative this year and flat in 2011 - not the stuff of Islamic imperial dreams.

''Although Dubai's recession is probably over, we fear the economy will struggle to regain momentum this year and into 2011,'' Williams said.

Others are even more pessimistic. Christopher Davidson, reader in Middle East politics at Durham University and author of a study of Dubai, said: ''Dubai is still very much in the midst of its crisis, as its decade-long misadventure into real estate still has a good few years to play out due to much more supply hitting the market and much more debt reservicing.''

The Dubai real estate boom was fuelled by the government's decision to allow foreigners to own property in the emirate in 2002. The explosion in property prices that followed reached its peak in early 2008, when some apartment and villa prices were appreciating 10 per cent in a week. For a country without significant reserves of oil in an energy-rich region, property became Dubai's equivalent of the black gold, driving economic growth.

Those days will probably never return. JPMorgan, the US investment bank, recently forecast that property prices would continue to fall until they bottomed out at 80 per cent below 2008 levels. The fall is currently estimated at 50-60 per cent of those values. There is more pain to come in Dubai property.

More than half the near-1000 real estate projects in the emirate have been cancelled, according to government statistics. Some of the big prestige developments - such as the tallest building in the world, the Burj Khalifa - have been completed or are still in progress, but the bread-and-butter projects of the construction industry have been shut down. Orders for cranes, which once dominated the city's skyline, have fallen 40 per cent.

With property in the doldrums, Sheikh Mohammed has had to rethink the strategy. Now, according to the government's revised plan, the focus will be on those core activities that made Dubai a thriving commercial hub before the cheap-credit property boom: transport and logistics, the re-export business, retailing, leisure and tourism.

The role of the financial services industry in this new scheme is uncertain. If the bust of 25/11 was sparked by property, its most obvious effects were apparent in the financial sector. Overnight, liquidity dried up and credit was almost impossible to find. Credit default swap prices soared to Icelandic levels. Banks that had lavished borrowings on Dubai's corporations in the good years prepared for the inevitable hit to their balance sheets.

Dubai World's decision to appoint a chief restructuring officer - the British accountant Aidan Birkett, hired from Deloittes - showed the interdependence between property and finance. Many of the conglomerate's big liabilities were contained within its Nakheel subsidiary, the developer of the manmade islands that include Palm Jumeirah and other ''lifestyle waterside developments'', which came to symbolise the emirate's brashness.

Birkett, a plain-speaking Geordie with experience of some of the biggest corporate collapses in recent British history, saw the link between property and finance early on. ''Fix Nakheel, and you go a long way to fixing Dubai real estate; fix real estate, and you fix Dubai,'' he said.

Birkett's strategy was largely successful in persuading Dubai World's banks to play ball. Appointed on November 25 last year, by May he had secured the agreement of a majority of creditors, and in October he was able to quit the CRO role with his job done and 100 per cent of creditors signed up to the rescheduled repayment plan for its $US25 billion liabilities.

But Dubai is far from out of the woods. The Dubai World debts will now be repaid in five to eight years, at lower interest rates, but those repayments still have to be met. By any measure, the emirate still has a mountain of debt.

The International Monetary Fund estimates its total indebtedness at $US110 billion, including the debts of central government, government-related companies such as Dubai World, and other corporations. This is about 140 per cent of GDP - putting the emirate above Greece and Ireland in the world debt league.

Compounding Dubai's problems, much of this debt falls due in the short to medium term. Some $US24 billion is repayable between now and the third quarter of 2012, suggesting that a raft of restructurings are likely soon.

Dubai Holding, the conglomerate owned personally by Sheikh Mohammed, which owns the Jumeirah hotels brand as well as the emirate's once gung-ho private equity group, Dubai International Capital, sent a shiver through UAE markets just before the Eid al-Adha holiday last week with a statement that it was in talks with bankers to restructure its $12 billion or so of debts.

It had missed two debt repayments, and is in serious risk of a formal default. It promises a resolution by the end of this month.

As well as rescheduling, Dubai has also said it will sell assets to repay debts. Some of these will be baubles that the emirate picked up on international markets in the boom years, from the New York retailer Barneys to the Canadian entertainment group Cirque du Soleil and the cruise liner QE2.

Others possibly earmarked for disposal or flotation on international markets include the indigenous businesses built up as part of the core economic strategy: Jumeirah hotels, Emirates Airlines and the DP World ports and shipping group (which contains the old P&O business bought in 2006).

''Is Dubai going to sell the family silver to pay for its profligacy? That would be a big blow to its pride,'' said a local banker.

In particular, another branch of the UAE family might object. Abu Dhabi, the biggest emirate, which plays Washington to Dubai's New York, will want a say in the fate of these and other assets regarded as core to the UAE's global strategy. There are already plans to merge the Dubai and Abu Dhabi sharemarkets, and there has been open speculation about Abu Dhabi taking over Dubai's huge new airport, the modestly named Dubai World Central.

Perhaps the most significant change of the past year has been the relationship between Dubai and the far richer but more conservative Abu Dhabi. The capital bailed out Dubai with $US20 billion of loans at the height of the crisis. These also have to be repaid and it is likely that Abu Dhabi will ultimately want a different kind of return.

Davidson said: ''For the first time in 170 years, Dubai has lost its de facto autonomy, given that its creditor and lifeline is now oil-rich Abu Dhabi, which has clear and unashamed ambitions to centralise the UAE federation and curb any autonomous macro-economic or political activity within its borders.''

Apart from the possibility of Abu Dhabi taking over Dubai's assets, this new subservience to the capital could make itself felt in two other ways, both with serious implications for Dubai: the setting of the emirate's budgets within the overall federal financial structure; and its relationship with Iran.

If Abu Dhabi sets caps on the emirate's autonomous borrowing powers, it could hinder Dubai's ability to debt-finance its recovery; and if, at American urging, the capital forces Dubai to halt much of its trade with Iran, which is just across the Straits of Hormuz, it would seriously impair the role of Dubai as the region's commercial hub.

Iran is the UAE's biggest re-export partner, with trade worth about $US7 billion accounting for 17 per cent of its total re-exports. Most of this goes through Dubai, and its loss would be a big blow.

Dubai still has big advantages over other would-be financial capitals in the Gulf: the region's best infrastructure, the most liberal and cosmopolitan environment of any Gulf state and a dynamic can-do ethos compared with that of other Arab countries.

But a year of living dangerously has changed all the previous assumptions. Now Dubai is getting back to basics, but with more uncertainties and less self-confidence than ever.

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Old 29th Nov 2010, 00:06
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If a company is 100% owned by the government it is not owned by the private sector.

Going public means privatization or open for private individual ownership and individuals belonging to the general public population.

O-level stuff.
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good idea!

If that is going to happen....kiss your cash profit share good bye, you'll be receiving lots of these "junk bonds" instaed
Probably under the condition that you have to hold these for at least 20 years
Thats of course AFTER they paid all the other shareholders...
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Can you imagine EK allowing the public to own parts? That means being accountable. Publishing audited results. It means the control freakery will have to be reduced. It will never happen. They have too much to hide and even more to lose.
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typhoon:

If a company is 100% owned by the government it is not owned by the private sector.

Going public means privatization or open for private individual ownership and individuals belonging to the general public population.

O-level stuff.

Sorry but you have only got it partially right jackx123. "Going public" means converting ownership from the hands of a few private individuals (or government) into ownership by the "public" via a stock market offering:


Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms:

going public

securities industry phrase used when a private company first offers its shares to the public. The firm's ownership thus shifts from the hands of a few private stockowners to a base that includes public shareholders. At the moment of going public, the stock is called an Initial Public Offering From that point on, or until the company goes private again, its shares have a market value .
Dictionary of Business Terms

going public
securities industry phrase used when a private company first offers its shares to the public. The firm's ownership shifts from the hands of a few private stockowners to a base that includes public shareholders and becomes subject to some new legal requirements.
As you said, O-level stuff

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Can you imagine EK allowing the public to own parts? That means being accountable. Publishing audited results. It means the control freakery will have to be reduced. It will never happen. They have too much to hide and even more to lose.
EK DOES produce audited accounts, and if you think Public Ownership reduces "Control Feakiness" you've never worked for a listed company.

You think Emirates thinks of nothing but profit now? Wait till you're working for shareholders!!
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Going public means privatization or open for private individual ownership and individuals belonging to the general public population.
Can't be misinterpreted and if you need to look it up as you have it clearly shows your lack of financial acumen.

Perhaps you can educate me in time value of money to? and don't take to long looking it up.

ps. there are different time vales and calculations thereof. This is especially important when doing an IPO, issuing warrants or even doing a rights issue.
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It will be great. The Canadians can buy a huge stake and we won't have any problems getting landing rights!
 
Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:09
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Dubai may sell stake in Emirates Airline | The Australian
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typhoon:

If a company is 100% owned by the government it is not owned by the private sector.

Going public means privatization or open for private individual ownership and individuals belonging to the general public population.

Actually any company that doesn't freely trade stock on a listed stock exchange is considered "private" where I come from. When shares are open for sale to any investor on the open market then it is "public".

A public company or publicly traded company is a company that has permission to offer its registered securities (stock, bonds, etc.) for sale to the general public, typically through a stock exchange, or occasionally a company whose stock is traded over the counter (OTC) via market makers who use non-exchange quotation services.

Read the paper today and can see where the confusion is coming from. The paper talks about selling government owned companies to the private sector, not going public with any company.


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The three shares that is currently not owned by the government will be sold, the other 10 million will still be in safe hands!!!!!!
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Those same "safe hands" that are in the DP World pie?

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It is all a matter of nomencluture.

During the transition from the era of Government ownership to that of Public ownership of flag-carrier airlines (and other businesses) it was termed "Privatisation" even though the end result was "Public" listing!
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All this talk still assumes Dubai Inc. still owns 100% of EK. Are our memories too short for the $20bil US or so that our gracious neighbours down the street coughed up to help out our bosses? Could this be a smoke and mirrors public display where, taadaa, Mubadala owns 50% of EK?

Standby for future announcements.

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... or maybe all of EK already!
Gulf News today states that Etihad owns 270 (!) aircraft today.

The national carrier currently operates 270 aircraft and this number is expected to hit 350 in 2012 according to GCAA data.
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Etihad Airways is expected to take delivery of 155 aircraft in the next three years to expand its combined fleet to 425 planes by 2014, the Abu Dhabi based Al Ittihad daily reported yesterday, citing official data.
Brace for impact guys, they actually said combined fleet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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150(ish) plus 60(ish) equals 270 ??

Total garbage. They might be talking about the total number of transport category aircraft on the GCAA register.
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