New Visa Requirements for Canadians.
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"Pissed Off?" HAHAHAHAAH
I think it's both amusing, and a badge of honour. Anything that helps highlight the differences between the two countries is fine by me. May I never be mistaken for someone who actually respects anything whatsoever about the UAE and the way things are done there.
Just don't keep crying about "protectionism" as you're putting more barriers on your own doors.
I think it's both amusing, and a badge of honour. Anything that helps highlight the differences between the two countries is fine by me. May I never be mistaken for someone who actually respects anything whatsoever about the UAE and the way things are done there.
Just don't keep crying about "protectionism" as you're putting more barriers on your own doors.
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Huh?????
Outlaw.....I am so confused by your post:
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As of January 2, 2011 a visa will be required for tourism and business purposes. It can be obtained prior to travel at the Embassy of the UAE.
You posted this from the Canadian website, then you wrote that we don't need visa's.
Seems pretty self explainatory that after Jan 2nd, we need a visit visa as a tourist to go to the UAE. Which we have to get before we travel there.
Right now we get a 30 day visa at the airport at no charge.
Canada can't impose a visa on it's own citizens to travel to a foreign country. It is the other country that would impose these restrictions. That is how a visa works. Besides why would Canada do that to it's own citizens.
So I am cofused about what your point is?????
You posted in Bold:
As of January 2, 2011 a visa will be required for tourism and business purposes. It can be obtained prior to travel at the Embassy of the UAE.
You posted this from the Canadian website, then you wrote that we don't need visa's.
Seems pretty self explainatory that after Jan 2nd, we need a visit visa as a tourist to go to the UAE. Which we have to get before we travel there.
Right now we get a 30 day visa at the airport at no charge.
Canada can't impose a visa on it's own citizens to travel to a foreign country. It is the other country that would impose these restrictions. That is how a visa works. Besides why would Canada do that to it's own citizens.
So I am cofused about what your point is?????
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Any stamp you get in your passport is considered a visa. To enter the UAE you need to get your passport stamped.
It is the same in every country you enter.
As a Canadian you can get this before you travel or right at the airport.
As of January 2, 2011 a visa will be required for tourism and business purposes. It can be obtained prior to travel at the Embassy of the UAE.
The rule hasn't changed, it has always been that.
Its just the media selling news
It is the same in every country you enter.
As a Canadian you can get this before you travel or right at the airport.
As of January 2, 2011 a visa will be required for tourism and business purposes. It can be obtained prior to travel at the Embassy of the UAE.
The rule hasn't changed, it has always been that.
Its just the media selling news
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I understand that any stamp in your passport is a visa. But currently when I fly from Halifax to Toronto and then to Dubai. I just land here and they stamp my passport for 30 days no questions asked.
Now I have to mail my passport to Ottawa and pay to get a visa to come to Dubai. In a self-addressed envelope and it can take upto 5 days to get it back or longer.
That's the difference between what is happening now and what will be happening later. I can't just turn up in Dubai or Abu Dhabi, like I can turn up in the U.S. or UK or Germany, France etc etc.
I just can't jump on a plane and go to Dubai. I have to plan ahead and get a visa first.
That's the difference I was trying to point out to The Outlaw and now you.
You two obviously don't get what's going on.
So for your info....The rule has changed. And now it cost money.
And if they are not careful they might just piss off the wrong people and over flight permission might be denied. They'll be doing the south pole route to get to the U.S.
I understand that any stamp in your passport is a visa. But currently when I fly from Halifax to Toronto and then to Dubai. I just land here and they stamp my passport for 30 days no questions asked.
Now I have to mail my passport to Ottawa and pay to get a visa to come to Dubai. In a self-addressed envelope and it can take upto 5 days to get it back or longer.
That's the difference between what is happening now and what will be happening later. I can't just turn up in Dubai or Abu Dhabi, like I can turn up in the U.S. or UK or Germany, France etc etc.
I just can't jump on a plane and go to Dubai. I have to plan ahead and get a visa first.
That's the difference I was trying to point out to The Outlaw and now you.
You two obviously don't get what's going on.
So for your info....The rule has changed. And now it cost money.
And if they are not careful they might just piss off the wrong people and over flight permission might be denied. They'll be doing the south pole route to get to the U.S.
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By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: November 8, 2010 4:06 PM
U.A.E. slaps visas on Canadians
Canadians will need visas to enter the United Arab Emirates as of Jan. 2, 2011, according to Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada and the U.A.E.'s embassy in Ottawa.
The move is the latest salvo in a growing diplomatic spat between Ottawa and the U.A.E. over airline landing rights at Canadian airports that also saw Canada evicted from a key military base in Dubai.
Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada posted an update to its website that says the visas will be required for tourism and business purposes and can be obtained prior to travel at the U.A.E. Embassy.
Opposition critics have slammed Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government for its handling of relations with the U.A.E. — a key Mideast trading partner that had provided the Canadians with free use of the once-covert military base known as Camp Mirage to stage operations in Afghanistan.
But Conservative sources told CBC News the Canadian government viewed the U.A.E.'s use of the base as a bargaining chip in its request for Ottawa to grant state carriers Emirates and Etihad more access to Canadian airports as "blackmail." The Canadian military left Camp Mirage last week.
A U.A.E. embassy staff member noted that every U.A.E. citizen has always needed a visa to enter Canada, including diplomats and the embassy's head of staff.
Visa move a 'tit-for-tat thing': Rae
The Conservatives insist the relationship between the two countries remains robust, but Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said the U.A.E.'s latest move belies the government's line that nothing's wrong.
"It's kind of a tit-for-tat thing that's going on," Rae said Monday during an interview airing on CBC's Power and Politics with Evan Solomon.
"It's obviously an inconvenience for travellers."
A 1999 agreement allows Emirates Airlines and Etihad Airways to fly up to six times a week into Canada. But the U.A.E. government says that with 27,000 Canadians living in that country, and a significant trade relationship — the U.A.E. is Canada's largest trade partner in the Middle East and North Africa — six flights per week are not enough.
Air Canada has objected to any increased service by Emirates Airlines and Etihad Airways to Canadian destinations. It says that in certain areas, such as Dubai, there is very little originating traffic that comes to Canada.
With files from The Canadian Press
U.A.E. slaps visas on Canadians
Canadians will need visas to enter the United Arab Emirates as of Jan. 2, 2011, according to Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada and the U.A.E.'s embassy in Ottawa.
The move is the latest salvo in a growing diplomatic spat between Ottawa and the U.A.E. over airline landing rights at Canadian airports that also saw Canada evicted from a key military base in Dubai.
Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada posted an update to its website that says the visas will be required for tourism and business purposes and can be obtained prior to travel at the U.A.E. Embassy.
Opposition critics have slammed Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government for its handling of relations with the U.A.E. — a key Mideast trading partner that had provided the Canadians with free use of the once-covert military base known as Camp Mirage to stage operations in Afghanistan.
But Conservative sources told CBC News the Canadian government viewed the U.A.E.'s use of the base as a bargaining chip in its request for Ottawa to grant state carriers Emirates and Etihad more access to Canadian airports as "blackmail." The Canadian military left Camp Mirage last week.
A U.A.E. embassy staff member noted that every U.A.E. citizen has always needed a visa to enter Canada, including diplomats and the embassy's head of staff.
Visa move a 'tit-for-tat thing': Rae
The Conservatives insist the relationship between the two countries remains robust, but Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said the U.A.E.'s latest move belies the government's line that nothing's wrong.
"It's kind of a tit-for-tat thing that's going on," Rae said Monday during an interview airing on CBC's Power and Politics with Evan Solomon.
"It's obviously an inconvenience for travellers."
A 1999 agreement allows Emirates Airlines and Etihad Airways to fly up to six times a week into Canada. But the U.A.E. government says that with 27,000 Canadians living in that country, and a significant trade relationship — the U.A.E. is Canada's largest trade partner in the Middle East and North Africa — six flights per week are not enough.
Air Canada has objected to any increased service by Emirates Airlines and Etihad Airways to Canadian destinations. It says that in certain areas, such as Dubai, there is very little originating traffic that comes to Canada.
With files from The Canadian Press
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i like that
i like that 
ooooooooh canadians again
Canada will do nothing because unlike the UAE, THIS is a real country with global responsibilities, with a real history and a real economy. This hissy fit by the UAE is not going to advance EKs or EYs cause or likely to change a thing.
and that also
....the only ones that would really cry, are all those useless
that immigrated to Canada, got a citizenship, went back to work in UAE because they love being treated like dirt. those would be the first to say : " how come ? I shooouuld not need a visa, I haave a Canadian Paaassssport !
my canadian friends your country is not USA
it.s CANADA belive.t or not
happy flights
ooooooooh canadians againCanada will do nothing because unlike the UAE, THIS is a real country with global responsibilities, with a real history and a real economy. This hissy fit by the UAE is not going to advance EKs or EYs cause or likely to change a thing.
and that also
....the only ones that would really cry, are all those useless
that immigrated to Canada, got a citizenship, went back to work in UAE because they love being treated like dirt. those would be the first to say : " how come ? I shooouuld not need a visa, I haave a Canadian Paaassssport !my canadian friends your country is not USA
it.s CANADA belive.t or not happy flights
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citizen of A needs a visa for country B and has to apply for it beforehand.
citzen of B got a visa on arrival in A, no hassle beforehand.
now citizen B is suddenly treated like citizen A and is outraged.
country B has an airline but does not serve B.
country A has an airline, serves B and would like to serve more.
country B says no, we're all for open skies and trade, but not for A.
Just change the countries and citizens with names of a class in Kindergarten next door, it sounds pretty much the same ....
citzen of B got a visa on arrival in A, no hassle beforehand.
now citizen B is suddenly treated like citizen A and is outraged.
country B has an airline but does not serve B.
country A has an airline, serves B and would like to serve more.
country B says no, we're all for open skies and trade, but not for A.
Just change the countries and citizens with names of a class in Kindergarten next door, it sounds pretty much the same ....
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Piss on a plate where the food is. It is so childish to fight over such a petty issue. What makes Canadians so special that they should not be required a visa.If Canada was a real first world country with real airlines then we wouldn't see so many here holding their begging bowls.
If Canadian or european airspace is closed we will all be packing our beans to go back home. So whats so great about that.
Steven Harper is an idiot trying to commit the same mistake that has killed canadian aviation in the past. I say let Air Canada go bust and bring on a much needed healthy aviation environment.
If Canadian or european airspace is closed we will all be packing our beans to go back home. So whats so great about that.
Steven Harper is an idiot trying to commit the same mistake that has killed canadian aviation in the past. I say let Air Canada go bust and bring on a much needed healthy aviation environment.
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i dont see why it is so terrible that you now have to get visas before arrival.
I have to do that to almost every country i visit, and have been doing that for three full passports now!
I have to do that to almost every country i visit, and have been doing that for three full passports now!
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Canada has it's issues with open skies and questionable protection practices with respect to EK expansion. Having said that, it is certainly about as first world as it gets, and as per usual it's the UAE gov't acting childish and showing it's class as a spoiled tribe of new found wealth. I hope nothing will change other than a simple 30 day entry stamp, but we'll see what the brilliant minds in the UAE gov't come up with. Do they want Dubai to recover from the brink of failure and encourage ease of travel and tourism? The UAE continues to show one PR failure after another. They really need to allow the airlines to quietly negotiate on their own. I'm sure the heads of EK and EY are shaking their heads and are as frustrated as everyone else when the gov't steps in with poor reactive decisions. Good for Canada.
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The UAE does not realise or understand who or where they are in the world sceme of things. They are a 3rd world, piss ant police state. Canada is a first world member of the G7.
Someone wants a healthy airline environment for Canada. I would suggest a visit to the EK clinic and see for themsleves just how "healthy" EK is. EK operates on a whole different level. They don't have anything close to a Transport Canada, do not allow unions, practice in slave labor and don't honor contracts. If anyone thinks that is a level playing field you must be on your wife's drugs.
All the UAE is trying to do is steal the transit pax going to India. If the UAE was a country they would have their own O&D pax and not need to fly Indians all around the world.
Canada is doing the right thing and I hope a airspace restriction is the next step because as we all know the UAE needs Canada a whole lot more than Canada needs the UAE.
Visa requirements have always been slanted in favor of 1st world countries. After all how many Muslims want to live in Europe, N America versus how many N Americans and Europeans want to live in a 3rd world police state, forever? If the numbers are even close to 1000 to 1 I would be shocked.
Someone wants a healthy airline environment for Canada. I would suggest a visit to the EK clinic and see for themsleves just how "healthy" EK is. EK operates on a whole different level. They don't have anything close to a Transport Canada, do not allow unions, practice in slave labor and don't honor contracts. If anyone thinks that is a level playing field you must be on your wife's drugs.
All the UAE is trying to do is steal the transit pax going to India. If the UAE was a country they would have their own O&D pax and not need to fly Indians all around the world.
Canada is doing the right thing and I hope a airspace restriction is the next step because as we all know the UAE needs Canada a whole lot more than Canada needs the UAE.
Visa requirements have always been slanted in favor of 1st world countries. After all how many Muslims want to live in Europe, N America versus how many N Americans and Europeans want to live in a 3rd world police state, forever? If the numbers are even close to 1000 to 1 I would be shocked.
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You exhibit so much anger and naivety at the same time, been following this thread silently for a while now, yes EK might be slave driving but the fact remains that they command a huge share of the market currently with the reeling aviation sector, much more considerably than Air Canada, how many Canadian families depend on EK vs families in the ME depending on AC, most legacy Airlines are trying to get a piece of the pie in the middle east and Asian traffic, so the chest thumping of how you are the first world doesn't change the facts as they stand currently, it's highly unlikely the Canadian government will restrict it's airspace for EK, as much as you wouldn't like to admit it diplomacy is the only way out any embargoes on EK only serve to hurt both parties.
Oh 'flying Indians all over the world' that's laughable, immature and a bigoted comment, how many airline you know have survived by flying only their native citizens, AC would fold within a year if they were to fly only Canadians around the world, last I checked India is the second most populous country in the world hot in the heels of china, two markets any airline would kill to break into, and seems EK has done a pretty good job in doing so apart from being strategically located.
Hope they get a solution to the nasty situation soon.
You exhibit so much anger and naivety at the same time, been following this thread silently for a while now, yes EK might be slave driving but the fact remains that they command a huge share of the market currently with the reeling aviation sector, much more considerably than Air Canada, how many Canadian families depend on EK vs families in the ME depending on AC, most legacy Airlines are trying to get a piece of the pie in the middle east and Asian traffic, so the chest thumping of how you are the first world doesn't change the facts as they stand currently, it's highly unlikely the Canadian government will restrict it's airspace for EK, as much as you wouldn't like to admit it diplomacy is the only way out any embargoes on EK only serve to hurt both parties.
Oh 'flying Indians all over the world' that's laughable, immature and a bigoted comment, how many airline you know have survived by flying only their native citizens, AC would fold within a year if they were to fly only Canadians around the world, last I checked India is the second most populous country in the world hot in the heels of china, two markets any airline would kill to break into, and seems EK has done a pretty good job in doing so apart from being strategically located.
Hope they get a solution to the nasty situation soon.
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FFS chaps two full pages of bitching and whinging when no one has actually bothered to get the fact and at least have a decent bitch.
If you need a visa it is not really a big deal..........it may be an inconvenience, but hey get over it.......
Personally I dont really care whether you need a visa or not, I actually need a visa for most countries but I am not really prepared to go into that as I like most people have accepted the fact.
Build a bridge and get over it................
Wadi
If you need a visa it is not really a big deal..........it may be an inconvenience, but hey get over it.......
Personally I dont really care whether you need a visa or not, I actually need a visa for most countries but I am not really prepared to go into that as I like most people have accepted the fact.
Build a bridge and get over it................
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Looks like a straight forward case of the UAE savings face and retaliating on the failed expansion of EY and EK into Canada. The latest quote from one of the local papers in Dubai:
"The current status of relations with the government in Canada compared with other countries on the visa waiver programme is at a much lower level. ... It isn't fair to include it with countries with which we have a healthy and productive relationship."
But, of course, if additional landing rights were issued tomorrow, MAGIC... the relations would all of the sudden drastically change. The UAE showing their tribal and draconian reaction when not getting their way. This will certainly not help their case...
I'm sure most Canadians living in Canada would care less; who needs who? Canada needs absolutely nothing from the UAE, including oil. This will just deter much needed tourism and trade into the UAE.
"The current status of relations with the government in Canada compared with other countries on the visa waiver programme is at a much lower level. ... It isn't fair to include it with countries with which we have a healthy and productive relationship."
But, of course, if additional landing rights were issued tomorrow, MAGIC... the relations would all of the sudden drastically change. The UAE showing their tribal and draconian reaction when not getting their way. This will certainly not help their case...
I'm sure most Canadians living in Canada would care less; who needs who? Canada needs absolutely nothing from the UAE, including oil. This will just deter much needed tourism and trade into the UAE.
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Emirates didn't get what it wants/expected from the Canadian government so it went to its government to arm twist the Canadian government into submission.
Air Canada (may have) went to its government to ask it to fend off the 'assault' by Emirates, citing the possibility of its demise as a consequence.
Seems reasonable to me so what did I miss?
It's okay for EK to further its self interests through its government but not for Air Canada?
C'mon. Where is this debate heading?
Willie
Air Canada (may have) went to its government to ask it to fend off the 'assault' by Emirates, citing the possibility of its demise as a consequence.
Seems reasonable to me so what did I miss?
It's okay for EK to further its self interests through its government but not for Air Canada?
C'mon. Where is this debate heading?
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It is high time the Canadaians close the airspace to UAE carriers. That is the only item that will get the dictators attentention and reset the relationship of who needs who more.