Pilot shortage in EK
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Pilot shortage in EK
Got pulled out the other day on reserve and CC told me that they needed urgent guys...
They had to call out 40 some people and where still short for some flights the next day.
AAR did a good job... saved millions for the company last year...
I am sure he got a BIIIIG BONUS for himself. And now he is too greedy to pay it back to EK, to make up for the millions we are loosing due to the miss management he is responsible for.
Very wise to halt recruitment last year and now they are expecting up to 3 AC per month next year.
Beside: the new IAH flight requires 70+ Pilots a month.....
Well done
They had to call out 40 some people and where still short for some flights the next day.
AAR did a good job... saved millions for the company last year...
I am sure he got a BIIIIG BONUS for himself. And now he is too greedy to pay it back to EK, to make up for the millions we are loosing due to the miss management he is responsible for.
Very wise to halt recruitment last year and now they are expecting up to 3 AC per month next year.
Beside: the new IAH flight requires 70+ Pilots a month.....
Well done
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
This is the bit I can't understand.
We are not yet getting any aircraft we weren't expecting. Were we planning to utilise them less?
Someone got the sums very VERY wrong.
I heard Flight Ops has had to cop to Tim that they can't handle any new routes for at least 12 months...
Believe he was not best pleased.....
We are not yet getting any aircraft we weren't expecting. Were we planning to utilise them less?
Someone got the sums very VERY wrong.
I heard Flight Ops has had to cop to Tim that they can't handle any new routes for at least 12 months...
Believe he was not best pleased.....
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From: korea
Yes indeed, uncle Alan will soon be receiving the bad news letter from the GCAA stating that on augmented flights you may only log hours on the the stick, but that all of the hours shall count towards the 100hr monthly, and 900hr annual limit.
Numerous guys being rostered ULR flights and being factored will now have to be sent on office duties, or leave. "Oh Im sorry I thought that shredder was a photo copier". "Delete all..oops."
Numerous guys being rostered ULR flights and being factored will now have to be sent on office duties, or leave. "Oh Im sorry I thought that shredder was a photo copier". "Delete all..oops."
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From: Eternal Beach
Flappy,
Each IAH and all other ULR flights require in excess of 40 drivers per departure, when you account for days off required before and after the flight, plus the flight itself and the augment team and any standby issued. They sap a lot of drivers!
halas
Each IAH and all other ULR flights require in excess of 40 drivers per departure, when you account for days off required before and after the flight, plus the flight itself and the augment team and any standby issued. They sap a lot of drivers!
halas
Last edited by halas; 26th September 2010 at 14:42. Reason: SBU
short flights long nights
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I have got an idea....lets send all the Pilots a b@@s@it letter explaining why the overtime limit is raised to 93 hours....that will work..for about 9 months And to be fair I think think the factoring idea (for the second time) was signed off by Uncle Ed...who came, saw, destroyed and then left the building
And to be fair I think think the factoring idea (for the second time) was signed off by Uncle Ed...who came, saw, destroyed and then left the building
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From: Travelling East
I heard the story that the GCAA had stopped EK from raising the annual limit to 1000hrs last year because of the factoring.
If this is the case, then with no factoring, the limit could well be raised to 1000hours.
This will have little to no effect on us, many of us are already operating in the 950-980 unfactored hours for the last 12 months, and factoring brought it to 850-890 hours.
I do suspect the Captains will suddenly find "quiet" months, since they have been working 5-10 hours/month harder than us F/Os for quite a while, and it was the factoring that brought them barely within the 900 hour limit.
If this is the case, then with no factoring, the limit could well be raised to 1000hours.
This will have little to no effect on us, many of us are already operating in the 950-980 unfactored hours for the last 12 months, and factoring brought it to 850-890 hours.
I do suspect the Captains will suddenly find "quiet" months, since they have been working 5-10 hours/month harder than us F/Os for quite a while, and it was the factoring that brought them barely within the 900 hour limit.
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From: Tatooine
The staffing problem could be easily fixed in the same way they solve any problem in this part of the world. Throw money at it. A significant increase in pay would attract all the candidates they need. The resulting numbers could then be used to improve life style by reducing individual flying hours and increasing days off. This would, in turn, attract even more people and make EK the premier job in the industry. Sure, it would cut a little into the 1 billion plus profits, but it would fix the problem.
The rhetorical question then: will EK management see beyond their short term profits (which would still be staggeringly high) and look at long term, sustainable and stable growth strategies?
The only thing stopping EK from taking over the planet is staffing and there is no one willing to turn the ship from the iceberg looming in front.
p.s. just ran some very rough numbers and here's what I came up with. Based on current staffing levels and everything else remaining equal, EK could raise starting FO pay to 36000 dhs and starting CA pay to 50000 dhs and it would cost about 30 million dhs annually. Considering their 5 Billion dhs profit, its a drop in the bucket.
The rhetorical question then: will EK management see beyond their short term profits (which would still be staggeringly high) and look at long term, sustainable and stable growth strategies?
The only thing stopping EK from taking over the planet is staffing and there is no one willing to turn the ship from the iceberg looming in front.
p.s. just ran some very rough numbers and here's what I came up with. Based on current staffing levels and everything else remaining equal, EK could raise starting FO pay to 36000 dhs and starting CA pay to 50000 dhs and it would cost about 30 million dhs annually. Considering their 5 Billion dhs profit, its a drop in the bucket.
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From: Jew-Buy Mate
No Incentive
The higher management at Emirates do not understand the philosophy of incentive. If there is a crewing problem and the DGCA start playing hardball Tim will tell them to fix it with creative thinking and that is what they will do. Be prepared for the return of the 24 hr ULR layover.
They will quite happily cop a few ASRs rather than upset the business plan or bottom line.
They will quite happily cop a few ASRs rather than upset the business plan or bottom line.
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From: Dubai
Aussie
I think OBOGS is suggesting that MosEisley's calculations might be incorrect. If you were to raise the monthly basic by the amount suggested it would probably cost the company nearer 300 million Dhs annually rather than the 30 million quoted... but I might be completely wrong.
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From: Bldg with horse's head on top.
Wiz-
Wiz-
I think you hit the nail right on the head re 48 hrs layover on ULR flights to USA. Last November, Delta was told to make JFK-DEL 48 hrs. Previously it was 24. Also, I flew on EY and the purser asked me if all our ULR layovers were becoming 48 hrs min. Now why would an EY purser ask a question like that? Of course, she is closer to GCAA HQ than we are.
GTI
I think you hit the nail right on the head re 48 hrs layover on ULR flights to USA. Last November, Delta was told to make JFK-DEL 48 hrs. Previously it was 24. Also, I flew on EY and the purser asked me if all our ULR layovers were becoming 48 hrs min. Now why would an EY purser ask a question like that? Of course, she is closer to GCAA HQ than we are.
GTI
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
2500 pilots,
Approx 10 000dhs/mth raise
2 500*10 000*12= 300 000 000.
Yeah, a little out on the sums Mos.
But then, how much will canceled flights and lease payments on Aeroplanes sitting around doing nothing cost?
Approx 10 000dhs/mth raise
2 500*10 000*12= 300 000 000.
Yeah, a little out on the sums Mos.
But then, how much will canceled flights and lease payments on Aeroplanes sitting around doing nothing cost?
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From: Perth
I have heard rumours here in OZ that they are going to drop the Jet requirement and call it turbo prop instead to get the required guys for recruitment.
Is this fact or fiction............... on a rumour network
Is this fact or fiction............... on a rumour network
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From: Arizona USA
...that they are going to drop the Jet requirement and call it turbo prop instead to get the required guys for recruitment.
