Possible Corporate job in Saudi
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Looking for advice from pilots who are or have spent time in KSA. Job is based in Jeddah. Do handlers take care of flight plans and weather? Radar probably isn't wide spread so are you making position reports? I suppose then everything is on airways then? Do most employers pay per diem when on the road? Looking for any info that will help. New to the international scene.
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" radar probably isn't wide spread ". you should do a little homework if you're thinking of moving halfway across the world for a job. There's radar coverage around most of the ME.
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I thought that is why I'm here? I am doing research. If you have actual knowledge,please share. If you can only give a snide remark, please go to the play ground. This is some of my research that prompted my question of RADAR COVERAGE>>>>>>>There is an array of challenges facing the skies above the Middle East region - from managing a rapid increase in air traffic and filling in holes in radar and infrastructure coverage, to the need for a strategic coordinating body and the lack of regional coordination. The ATC Global Middle East Conference taking place in Abu Dhabi this December will provide a much-needed forum for the discussion and debate of these issues, the resolution of which are essential for the sustainability and safety of the Middle East's ambitious aviation development strategiese share.
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I suppose then everything is on airways then?
Do handlers take care of flight plans and weather?
Generally, good catering available as well...just pay the bill on time.
You have me confused 
, are you seeking information from a corporate pilots point of view or an ATC/Airspace coordinator?
From a pilots view, we don't have problems with radar coverage and direct routings right across the country are obtainable. Radar coverage below 15,000 feet is scarce but TIBA applies.
From a consultants point of view, the idea that all flights entering the Gulf airports must enter from overhead Bahrain is a total waste of money, but that has more to do with military airspace rather than radar.
Handling agents will do exactly what you pay them for
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, are you seeking information from a corporate pilots point of view or an ATC/Airspace coordinator?From a pilots view, we don't have problems with radar coverage and direct routings right across the country are obtainable. Radar coverage below 15,000 feet is scarce but TIBA applies.
From a consultants point of view, the idea that all flights entering the Gulf airports must enter from overhead Bahrain is a total waste of money, but that has more to do with military airspace rather than radar.
Handling agents will do exactly what you pay them for
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Yada, yada , yada, gees, give the guy a break.
You Will probably make one phone call and your flight plan and ground handling will be taken care of. If you are going international, someone like Universal, again one phone call, over flights, flight plan, even hotels. Radar is all over the ME, if you fly into small domestic strips like Gassem, you will leave radar about 15,000 or so and talk to the tower and listen up for other aircraft, but probably where you will be flying will be en route to approach, to tower. If you do have domestics into smaller airports, you will probably have to visit the tower, have a glass of tea, file a flight plan, makes life interesting. Same with catering, one phone call and the FA, if you have one, will order, if not, you order, the guys will show up ship side and there you go. Same with fuel, establish an account, the ground handling group will call for you. We use to call our ground handler in Riyadh, tell him where we were going,(domestically), they would file the flight plan, book us a hotel if required, and have the fuel guys informed, and this was after the Sheik wanted to leave in one and a half hours.
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You Will probably make one phone call and your flight plan and ground handling will be taken care of. If you are going international, someone like Universal, again one phone call, over flights, flight plan, even hotels. Radar is all over the ME, if you fly into small domestic strips like Gassem, you will leave radar about 15,000 or so and talk to the tower and listen up for other aircraft, but probably where you will be flying will be en route to approach, to tower. If you do have domestics into smaller airports, you will probably have to visit the tower, have a glass of tea, file a flight plan, makes life interesting. Same with catering, one phone call and the FA, if you have one, will order, if not, you order, the guys will show up ship side and there you go. Same with fuel, establish an account, the ground handling group will call for you. We use to call our ground handler in Riyadh, tell him where we were going,(domestically), they would file the flight plan, book us a hotel if required, and have the fuel guys informed, and this was after the Sheik wanted to leave in one and a half hours.
If this is your first adventure in the Magic Kingdom, send me a PM with your inquiries.
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My question about the radar coverage stems from,
A) An article that I read(I copied and pasted above in a earlier post)seemed to lead one to believe or interpret that there is limited or incomplete coverage. My point of question is from a pilot view.
B) Never been to KSA or the ME for that matter, so I have no idea.
I'm just in search of knowledge.
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A) An article that I read(I copied and pasted above in a earlier post)seemed to lead one to believe or interpret that there is limited or incomplete coverage. My point of question is from a pilot view.
B) Never been to KSA or the ME for that matter, so I have no idea.
I'm just in search of knowledge.
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Of all the things one has to contemplate prior to accepting a job in the ME... thats the first time i have heard someone worried about radar coverage
But let me make it easy for you, here is the first couple of things that should be on the list....
There are many stories about people NOT getting paid, so if you are seeking a G4 position in Jeddah or a F900 in Riyadh.... be careful.
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But let me make it easy for you, here is the first couple of things that should be on the list....
- Salary - DOES THE COMPANY PAY ON TIME AND IN FULL.
- Accommodation (Hotel or compound)
- Per diems / expenses
- Training costs, who pays?
- Company reputation
- Rotation and means of travel
- Igama or visa
- Family Status
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- .
There are many stories about people NOT getting paid, so if you are seeking a G4 position in Jeddah or a F900 in Riyadh.... be careful.
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Some of the corporate guys I met in Saudi felt pretty abused. One hour call-outs at all times of the day and night, arriving at the aircraft in a hurry, only to have to wait eight to ten hours before the 'prince' finally shows up. Might want to have a long talk with some of the pilots who are already in the job.
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Yea but that, " I want to leave in 1 and a half hours, then three hours latter show up is normal". Very few of the VIp's show up on time or with in twenty minutes. Some are always on time, but very few. As they get use to the crew and aircraft, they seem to start showing up later and later unless there desperate to leave the area.
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I won't direct my comments at any particular, as I wouldn't want to be accused of "snide remarks"...
Radar coverage in KAS is generally very good, as is the ATC service, in my experience of over 5 yrs of VVIP 727 flying based out of Riyadh...
Ever been to Africa???...if "radar coverage" is what one worries about, then one probably doesn't need to consider a position anywhere further than their own local G.A. airport in Sleepyville, USA...
Radar coverage in KAS is generally very good, as is the ATC service, in my experience of over 5 yrs of VVIP 727 flying based out of Riyadh...
Ever been to Africa???...if "radar coverage" is what one worries about, then one probably doesn't need to consider a position anywhere further than their own local G.A. airport in Sleepyville, USA...
