QR rostering department mistakes
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the rostering mismanager Mr PM has resigned. Can anyone confirm the good news?
He could sell himself as a good rostering manager for a short time, but his incompetence became clear to everyone now.
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am reading this forum, and i start laughing.
what do you mean with rostering department? you mean corruption center!!! indian mafia especially, starting from help(less) desk, going to the top. the camorra in italy is better, they have at least honor. i do not want to insult any nationality, but sorry, it is like this.
they do what ever they want, you think they care about the jeppesen system?
hahahahaha, why they issue rosters days later? right, they are working behind it, taking their bribes for good layovers.
i know, there will be always corruption, but what is happening here, is too much - way toooooooo much.
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what do you mean with rostering department? you mean corruption center!!! indian mafia especially, starting from help(less) desk, going to the top. the camorra in italy is better, they have at least honor. i do not want to insult any nationality, but sorry, it is like this.
they do what ever they want, you think they care about the jeppesen system?
hahahahaha, why they issue rosters days later? right, they are working behind it, taking their bribes for good layovers.
i know, there will be always corruption, but what is happening here, is too much - way toooooooo much.
cheers
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Almost every individual in the airline knows about the manipulation, mistakes and incompetence of both the Helpless desk and the rostering department.
The question remain : why the management is doing nothing about it?
Maybe some managers are benifited?
Why are they allowed to do whatever they want? wasting the recourses of the company by assigning too many -non used- STBYs to the limit they have to call you in your day OFF instead of the falsely filled STBY days?
I don't mind, it is an extra money for me.
Suggestion: let the jeppesen system assign the flights (including the training requirements) then upload the system directly to the AIMS, and see how it will works.
QR might save half of the working force of this corrupt department.
The question remain : why the management is doing nothing about it?
Maybe some managers are benifited?
Why are they allowed to do whatever they want? wasting the recourses of the company by assigning too many -non used- STBYs to the limit they have to call you in your day OFF instead of the falsely filled STBY days?
I don't mind, it is an extra money for me.
Suggestion: let the jeppesen system assign the flights (including the training requirements) then upload the system directly to the AIMS, and see how it will works.
QR might save half of the working force of this corrupt department.
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Should be relatively easy to out those responsible, or at the very least make it known, that YOU know, as does everyone else.
Name names, point the finger, put your money where the other mouths usually are.
I'm sure there must be a global company email address book, so copy everyone in, and stipulate a confirmation when its read.
Start at the CEO and work down.
Now for the best bit, you can do it with total anonymity, just create an appropriate email address on a public non Qatari domain via a secure proxy server (you know what I mean) and hey presto..you can sit back and watch things evolve....
A post or two on here with the contents of emails etc etc wouldn't go amiss either.
Just a suggestion mind.
Name names, point the finger, put your money where the other mouths usually are.
I'm sure there must be a global company email address book, so copy everyone in, and stipulate a confirmation when its read.
Start at the CEO and work down.
Now for the best bit, you can do it with total anonymity, just create an appropriate email address on a public non Qatari domain via a secure proxy server (you know what I mean) and hey presto..you can sit back and watch things evolve....
A post or two on here with the contents of emails etc etc wouldn't go amiss either.
Just a suggestion mind.
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just a fact as well,
it is easy to point them out, at least, when they try to cancel a nice layover, even you are legal to do it.
they did it with me but only one time, because i followed it up, with all names.
went to rostering manager with all the evidence - got my layover back in 1 minute after i told him, i will take this a level higher.
since then, it never happened again, they just punish me now with not giving me my requests.
but am up to this already as well.
cheers
it is easy to point them out, at least, when they try to cancel a nice layover, even you are legal to do it.
they did it with me but only one time, because i followed it up, with all names.
went to rostering manager with all the evidence - got my layover back in 1 minute after i told him, i will take this a level higher.
since then, it never happened again, they just punish me now with not giving me my requests.
but am up to this already as well.
cheers
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P.M. is out
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since then, it never happened again, they just punish me now with not giving me my requests.
but am up to this already as well.
since then, it never happened again, they just punish me now with not giving me my requests.
but am up to this already as well.
Again : why can they do this and go unpunished ? How can they ignore the Jeppesen awarded flights? Who is responsible of following up the final outcome of the monthly rosters?
Knotaloud:
I can confirm that the rostering missmanager is OUT. I cannot confirm if he has resigned or was "ordered" to resign.
I believe the smell of his kitchen became too strong to ignore.
Let us see if the new manager will be able to hold the wild horses of this department.
More pilots would join QA and less would resign just for this single reason:
Better balanced and fair roster.
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Roster Balancing Lesson:
Dear Rostering department,
Due to the fact that you have no clue on balancing pilots layovers -either intentionally or accidentally- find belolw an example from an Airline who had no expensive Jeppesen system, but they had a small computer with excel sheet used to balance the layovers (in number and in quality) for all pilots of same category and rank.
Layovers numbers are published every 3 months to show how the layovers were balanced – and almost equal – between pilots.
Layovers were divided into groups, e.g. USA: included: NY, FL, LAX. The Far East included: BKK, SIN, MNL, PEK, Mid East included: CAI, TUN, BAH…etc.
It did not matter if you flew to the USA to stay in NY, FL, or LAX, but no one spent most of his 3 months flying to the USA while the other is flying to the Mid East.
I think this kind of transparency would prevent any possibility of corruption or illegal favors.
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well said dan cooper, would make life more easier.
transparent rosters are easy to achieve.
let's see, what is happening now.
what i learned here, you have to stand up and speak in order to get to your rights, otherwise you are just a ball or better a staff number.
transparent rosters are easy to achieve.
let's see, what is happening now.
what i learned here, you have to stand up and speak in order to get to your rights, otherwise you are just a ball or better a staff number.
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Dan Cooper,
Very well said, I am sure this information is available in the rostering department current sophisticated system, but is any manager outside the rostering mafia able to get it?
if yes, is anyone really interested in fairness and transparency in QA?
I hope the answer is yes, because you just inspired the new rostering manager with a simple method to improve the work -and more important the reputation-of his department.
Very well said, I am sure this information is available in the rostering department current sophisticated system, but is any manager outside the rostering mafia able to get it?
if yes, is anyone really interested in fairness and transparency in QA?
I hope the answer is yes, because you just inspired the new rostering manager with a simple method to improve the work -and more important the reputation-of his department.
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filthyrich - "watch out for the Palace Mafia" - in joke sorry can't tell you it's a secret however if you pay mde top $$ i'll let you know..
Dan Cooper - I used AIMS in a previous life about xx years ago, pilots used to bitch and moan about distribution of the "decent 8 day trips". If i remember correctly it was set up by trip length not destination....And i never had time to set it up correctly, have you thought about that..
Dan Cooper - I used AIMS in a previous life about xx years ago, pilots used to bitch and moan about distribution of the "decent 8 day trips". If i remember correctly it was set up by trip length not destination....And i never had time to set it up correctly, have you thought about that..
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we had a similar system in my previous airline - and it was working!!!
anyway guys, you remember, when they introduced the jeppesen system?
for 3 months it was working perfectly!!!!! (at least for me and for some other guys i talked to)
then of a sudden, everything changed again, and why, because our lovely rostering is working behind it.
that's it. so, why they spent millions of dollars, if they screw it up, and then they are talking about saving money - what a contradiction
anyway guys, you remember, when they introduced the jeppesen system?
for 3 months it was working perfectly!!!!! (at least for me and for some other guys i talked to)
then of a sudden, everything changed again, and why, because our lovely rostering is working behind it.
that's it. so, why they spent millions of dollars, if they screw it up, and then they are talking about saving money - what a contradiction
