Etihad s pilot value
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What is the value of a Ey pilot ? Near zero !
Example : an fo with a First ( diamond) ID-50 and a Cpt with a business (Pearl) ID-90 are out station and want to go to AUH. The station mng told them the plane is full, perhaps they have to request a jumpseat, but finally they got a seat in economie ( Coral ).
Once seated, they saw a woman and 2 kids going from economy to business,trying to know what is happening, the cabin manager inform them,that lady has been upgrated by the station manager , because 3 seats in business are empty and , as she is travelling on a economy duty travel ticket ( with two sons ????), she has the privilege to have the upgrade !
What to think about this bull**** airlines ? I don t know anymore !
Example : an fo with a First ( diamond) ID-50 and a Cpt with a business (Pearl) ID-90 are out station and want to go to AUH. The station mng told them the plane is full, perhaps they have to request a jumpseat, but finally they got a seat in economie ( Coral ).
Once seated, they saw a woman and 2 kids going from economy to business,trying to know what is happening, the cabin manager inform them,that lady has been upgrated by the station manager , because 3 seats in business are empty and , as she is travelling on a economy duty travel ticket ( with two sons ????), she has the privilege to have the upgrade !
What to think about this bull**** airlines ? I don t know anymore !
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You don't know who the woman is. Might be a high ranking officer in the company or a high ranking official.
Since when does an ID-50 or ID-90 assure you anything? In EY and any other company in the world.
So a duty travel ticket takes precedence over an ID ticket. And your point is?
Since when does an ID-50 or ID-90 assure you anything? In EY and any other company in the world.
So a duty travel ticket takes precedence over an ID ticket. And your point is?
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The point is, Airbusbatics, that someone has paid a lot of money for an ID-50 in a higher class, and is denied to get what he paid for, which would be a confirmed seat.
The ID-tickets are just a bull$hit scam. You get the same service for your ID-50 on diamond, as you do for an ID-90 in economy, which is nothing more than a lucky draw ticket.
The experienced priority is:
1. Unknown lady with two kids, but "important"
2. Friends of the corrupt station managers
3. Face-scanning from check-in people
4. Anything else
Whether or not you have a cheap or expensive, confirmed or standby, coral or diamond, doesn't mean crap! You can be happy if they don't just leave you behind.
When somebody pays for a reserved seat, they ought to get it. I wonder what guys like you find so hard to understand about that.
I never understood who the hell is the station manager, to make his own decisions, more often than enough even bypassing the standby-list which is signed by the Captain?
The ID-tickets are just a bull$hit scam. You get the same service for your ID-50 on diamond, as you do for an ID-90 in economy, which is nothing more than a lucky draw ticket.
The experienced priority is:
1. Unknown lady with two kids, but "important"
2. Friends of the corrupt station managers
3. Face-scanning from check-in people
4. Anything else
Whether or not you have a cheap or expensive, confirmed or standby, coral or diamond, doesn't mean crap! You can be happy if they don't just leave you behind.
When somebody pays for a reserved seat, they ought to get it. I wonder what guys like you find so hard to understand about that.
I never understood who the hell is the station manager, to make his own decisions, more often than enough even bypassing the standby-list which is signed by the Captain?
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@ airbusbatics
Since the woman had a economy ticket, she should stay in ECONOMY !!!
The FO had an ID-50 First class and the CPT an ID-90 Business, why do you think they bougth the ticket for ??? You are such a moron, a desk boy ass liking, for sure !
Since the woman had a economy ticket, she should stay in ECONOMY !!!
The FO had an ID-50 First class and the CPT an ID-90 Business, why do you think they bougth the ticket for ??? You are such a moron, a desk boy ass liking, for sure !
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If I was the CPT and the FO I would address that with their respective fleet managers/chief pilot and do so in writing via email so a response in writing is required. I couldn't care less who she thought she is or who she thinks she knows, policy are black and white and given sometimes in the ME that means S*&T nonetheless we were at outstation and these guys had clearly an almost confirmed tickets (ID 50 is confirmed but can be offloaded for full revenue guest) and an ID 90 business which in whatever language you write it is still higher than a non upgradable duty travel economy and even if the ticket was upgradable she is primarily economy and only goes up when a seat is free which in this case should not have been since the flight crew held a J class business ticket. Furthermore, since when you travel under a duty travel ticket with kids? Are the kids working for Etihad? Because since I guess they are not how the hell did they get a duty travel ticket?
My dear CPT and FO get out there and demand answers and make all the noise you need to get those answers, I would ……
But that’s just me!
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My dear CPT and FO get out there and demand answers and make all the noise you need to get those answers, I would ……
But that’s just me!
Safe Flying
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Originally Posted by Red_Z3
ID 50 is confirmed but can be offloaded for full revenue guest)
As for the story, I feel sorry for our colleagues but I am sure we are missing some important details here.
Upgrading priorities are set according to our grades; if she was grade M or better, she had priority over the pilots,...but not her sons! (that reported part is fishy though).
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So a duty travel ticket takes precedence over an ID ticket. And your point is?
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If you have a real ID50 (and I mean not a Standby ID50) you are not off loadable. Or to be precise, you are as much off loadable as any other full fare paying guest showing up "late" on an overbooked flight...
I have, on occasion, shown up at the gate with a full fare ticket, and watched ID50's being offloaded, to accomodate full fare passengers.
Happens all the time.
You need to know the rules.
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Is there a difference to how you would be treated by management if you did not show for work as you had been off loaded on an ID50 compared to ID90?
Some companies will sack on ID90 while ID50 is ok.
Some companies will sack on ID90 while ID50 is ok.
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Hi Astronaute, at which station was this bad experience of yours encountered? Perhaps you could let us know so that rest of us can be prepared when going there so as not to caught off guard at the very last moment. I do agree with Red Z3, put it in writing if you have sufficient records and demand for a written answer. I'm sure these things don't happen to just one particular station. Put it in writing for the benefits of all of us.
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Hello 411A,
Thanks for the advice about knowing the rules...but tell me, do you work for EY? Are YOU aware of EY rules? I don't think so.
This thread was not about "ID travel in the industry", it was about EY ID travel on EY a/c.
king_fifi, if an EY ID50 firm is offloaded to accommodate a full fare paying guest, it's a breach of staff travel policy.
It's all about knowing your rights and defending it.
Thanks for the advice about knowing the rules...but tell me, do you work for EY? Are YOU aware of EY rules? I don't think so.
This thread was not about "ID travel in the industry", it was about EY ID travel on EY a/c.
king_fifi, if an EY ID50 firm is offloaded to accommodate a full fare paying guest, it's a breach of staff travel policy.
It's all about knowing your rights and defending it.
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Short Fuel you need to speak about apples when others speak about apples my friend, 411 is absolutely correct and as I mentioned before an ID 50 can be offloaded regardless in its basic form.
ID means Industry Discount so opposite to a normal full fare paying guest you always have a lower priority to a revenue guest and can be offloaded at anytime in the event that revenue guest are not able to be loaded on a seat. I’ve seen ID50 confirmed (not waitlisted) been denied boarding due to revenue guest as I’ve seen staff with an AOL been refused normal uplift. What you mentioned and have copied and pasted on the forum from your EY staff travel rules is not so much the ID 50 that is non off loadable my friend but is the boarding priority code that makes it not off loadable and what you are quoting there is extracted from the EY staff travel loading priority table. So as mentioned above we speak about apples you need to speak about apples. ID ticket whatever it is can be off loaded. I make reference for you (since you are rightfully enough basing your response on the policy you read) if you read it carefully there is a section there, that outlines the procedure that staff must follow in the event of an emergency off loading, so I can only conclude that if there is a section such as the one just mentioned, then you can always be offloaded from a flight my friend under certain condition. The only thing that would prevent you from being offloaded is the little loading codes they put in your booking. I can be travelling with the lowest tickets available (for argument sake) but if I have a non off loadable loading code I stay on (sorry about the word jumble) Now going back to the post original meaning that ladies children should not and could not be travelling under duty travel (unless someone did a bodgie job with staff travel to make sure his or hers family makes it on the flight) that is the bottom line she held an economy class ticket and that is where she needs to stay. If for any reason she held a ticket (let’s forget about duty travel cause I think that was a bull**** story given) which was upgradable in that case the two flight deck crew still had priority as a purchased ID F and J class so they go in first and if there are seats available she can be upgraded with her children to J class only. That is it, what happened on that flight sounds fishy and the FD crew needs to chase that up together with their refund for the downgrade. Don’t tell people they need to know their rights my man you need to know the written rules, know how to read the written rules and furthermore know that rules mean SH*T out in the ME anyway.
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ID means Industry Discount so opposite to a normal full fare paying guest you always have a lower priority to a revenue guest and can be offloaded at anytime in the event that revenue guest are not able to be loaded on a seat. I’ve seen ID50 confirmed (not waitlisted) been denied boarding due to revenue guest as I’ve seen staff with an AOL been refused normal uplift. What you mentioned and have copied and pasted on the forum from your EY staff travel rules is not so much the ID 50 that is non off loadable my friend but is the boarding priority code that makes it not off loadable and what you are quoting there is extracted from the EY staff travel loading priority table. So as mentioned above we speak about apples you need to speak about apples. ID ticket whatever it is can be off loaded. I make reference for you (since you are rightfully enough basing your response on the policy you read) if you read it carefully there is a section there, that outlines the procedure that staff must follow in the event of an emergency off loading, so I can only conclude that if there is a section such as the one just mentioned, then you can always be offloaded from a flight my friend under certain condition. The only thing that would prevent you from being offloaded is the little loading codes they put in your booking. I can be travelling with the lowest tickets available (for argument sake) but if I have a non off loadable loading code I stay on (sorry about the word jumble) Now going back to the post original meaning that ladies children should not and could not be travelling under duty travel (unless someone did a bodgie job with staff travel to make sure his or hers family makes it on the flight) that is the bottom line she held an economy class ticket and that is where she needs to stay. If for any reason she held a ticket (let’s forget about duty travel cause I think that was a bull**** story given) which was upgradable in that case the two flight deck crew still had priority as a purchased ID F and J class so they go in first and if there are seats available she can be upgraded with her children to J class only. That is it, what happened on that flight sounds fishy and the FD crew needs to chase that up together with their refund for the downgrade. Don’t tell people they need to know their rights my man you need to know the written rules, know how to read the written rules and furthermore know that rules mean SH*T out in the ME anyway.
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I guess Red Z3 is right about one thing: The whole story mentioned above is either incomplete, or there's a mistake in it somewhere.
I have seen and experienced A LOT of going on with our check-in, especially from station managers at some outstations. That's why I still don't doubt the story as a whole.
Anyway, RedZ3 summarized it very well in his last sentence:
... dunno why you wrote all the rest of your comment! 
I have seen and experienced A LOT of
going on with our check-in, especially from station managers at some outstations. That's why I still don't doubt the story as a whole.Anyway, RedZ3 summarized it very well in his last sentence:
and furthermore know that rules mean SH*T out in the ME anyway.
