EK - and the truth is .............
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The truth is that EK , not with standing you nice effort, is way short of getting the people they need. I would say desperate.
What they don't take into account is that pissing off people is not for sure the best way to get the ambassadors they might want. EK fails to understand that their promotional campaigns made of bold statement golden plated leaflet and shiny brochure are not working as they used to and they will less and less in the future. Still a few believers are falling into the trap.I just hope that they are in need. If you voluntary resign a permanent position in civilization to join EK you will one day, sooner a later regret it. This even more seeing the current trend. It used to be a wonderful job up to 5 years ago. Nowaday EK is just like any other corporation. Unaccountable and polluting like BP, treating persons like Mc Donald, ..but serving serving only mutton burger!
What they don't take into account is that pissing off people is not for sure the best way to get the ambassadors they might want. EK fails to understand that their promotional campaigns made of bold statement golden plated leaflet and shiny brochure are not working as they used to and they will less and less in the future. Still a few believers are falling into the trap.I just hope that they are in need. If you voluntary resign a permanent position in civilization to join EK you will one day, sooner a later regret it. This even more seeing the current trend. It used to be a wonderful job up to 5 years ago. Nowaday EK is just like any other corporation. Unaccountable and polluting like BP, treating persons like Mc Donald, ..but serving serving only mutton burger!
The truth is that EK , not with standing you nice effort, is way short of getting the people they need. I would say desperate.
I can assure you that the guys jolnlng at the moment are highly experienced and are going through training very well. At the moment, there are far more suitable candidates than there were in the months before the GCC.
It may well dry up, and it would be nice for our T&Cs if it did.
But at the moment your post is confirmation (like we needed any) that your anomosity towards EK will make you say any old ****e, and truth is not a luxury you afford yourself.
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+1 again with Wizofoz.
Since the new min requirements changed, lots of new guys on B737/A320 are well qualified. They've got 2500hrs ++ on type and are some being very young are easy to train and easily adapt to life in Dubai.
Best thing EK's done all year, albeit with not much choice!!
Since the new min requirements changed, lots of new guys on B737/A320 are well qualified. They've got 2500hrs ++ on type and are some being very young are easy to train and easily adapt to life in Dubai.
Best thing EK's done all year, albeit with not much choice!!
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Fact is that what ever I post the same three guys are always immediately ready to reply. Don' t you ever fly? I might be a little biased or i might be may be just willing to obtain some form of reaction who cares....but
Wizz of oz, Fatbus.... how do you get paid to do this pumping job? By the hour or by the post?
My source are much more informed than you can imagine.
Suitable applicant missing ,screening failure rates at 70%,no show for courses. Lowering the minimum to 2500 hours of jet time...any weight says it all...
Wizz of oz, Fatbus.... how do you get paid to do this pumping job? By the hour or by the post?
My source are much more informed than you can imagine.
Suitable applicant missing ,screening failure rates at 70%,no show for courses. Lowering the minimum to 2500 hours of jet time...any weight says it all...
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777 200 LR... just a question. Fist of all how can you make such a statement. "Easy to train..adaptable". On what basis?
It is clear that this move of lowering minimus was is aimed to attract Easyjet Ryanair pilots or the like. But why should a lets say 28 to 38 years old FO from those outfit most probably close to his upgrade leave civilization to join EK for basically the same money, if not less, worst rosters being sure of having to spend the next 5 years on the RH seat? To have the privilege to spend 24 hours in the airport Hotel in CDG or 36 hours in JFK or to have the privilege to live in Dubai?
It is clear that this move of lowering minimus was is aimed to attract Easyjet Ryanair pilots or the like. But why should a lets say 28 to 38 years old FO from those outfit most probably close to his upgrade leave civilization to join EK for basically the same money, if not less, worst rosters being sure of having to spend the next 5 years on the RH seat? To have the privilege to spend 24 hours in the airport Hotel in CDG or 36 hours in JFK or to have the privilege to live in Dubai?
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Less money?
Interesting and INCORRECT assumption Sheiky!!
You will find the average Ryan F/O TAKES HOME around 3500-3800 Euros per month...FACT!!!
But do bare in mind that if they don't fly, they don't earn. So, take a few weeks off for summer vacation, break your leg the following month and the mortgage doesn't get paid. Not to mention the fact that they have to pay for a coffee on board (3 Euros), pay for the flight to Dublin for their PPC every 6 months, pay for their medical, NO pension, NO concessionary travel, they even pay for the staff car park....the list goes on!
Do your research before posting!! My info was from a Ryan F/O I spoke to THIS WEEK.
Get yourself in the real world..... its bad, but it ain't that bad here!
The average F/O here will earn something in the order of 5000 Euros (24,000dhs), oh and he wont have a Mortgage to service
Why the hell wouldn't a 26 year old want the keys to a shiny new B777 or A330 with the prospect of a wide body command in his mid 30's?
Interesting and INCORRECT assumption Sheiky!!
You will find the average Ryan F/O TAKES HOME around 3500-3800 Euros per month...FACT!!!
But do bare in mind that if they don't fly, they don't earn. So, take a few weeks off for summer vacation, break your leg the following month and the mortgage doesn't get paid. Not to mention the fact that they have to pay for a coffee on board (3 Euros), pay for the flight to Dublin for their PPC every 6 months, pay for their medical, NO pension, NO concessionary travel, they even pay for the staff car park....the list goes on!
Do your research before posting!! My info was from a Ryan F/O I spoke to THIS WEEK.
Get yourself in the real world..... its bad, but it ain't that bad here!
The average F/O here will earn something in the order of 5000 Euros (24,000dhs), oh and he wont have a Mortgage to service
Why the hell wouldn't a 26 year old want the keys to a shiny new B777 or A330 with the prospect of a wide body command in his mid 30's?
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Spot on Contacted
Though I fear you are wasting your breath!
Mr arse will not listen despite overwhelming evidence shooting his arguments down in flames (which lets face it, is pretty damned easy to do, hell, I've been doing it for months!!).
He will simply retort the best/only way he knows how, which will involve comments like ''You must be management'', "You are a management wannabe", "How much are management paying you to blow the wind up EK's bottom" or other such comments a 7 year old would write! In no way could we ever expect a well balanced, well judged, factual ADULT argument from him.......
Go on Arse man, prove me wrong....... I dare you!
Though I fear you are wasting your breath!
Mr arse will not listen despite overwhelming evidence shooting his arguments down in flames (which lets face it, is pretty damned easy to do, hell, I've been doing it for months!!).
He will simply retort the best/only way he knows how, which will involve comments like ''You must be management'', "You are a management wannabe", "How much are management paying you to blow the wind up EK's bottom" or other such comments a 7 year old would write! In no way could we ever expect a well balanced, well judged, factual ADULT argument from him.......
Go on Arse man, prove me wrong....... I dare you!
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Habibi the vast majority of FO are looking for un upgrade fast. Having spent three years in that out fit they will hold on a little bit more do their command get 1000 of it and than may be someone will consider EK that will give them better opportunity to escape once they'll realize their error...unless they are stupid.
Friend of mine A320 SFO EZ 5000+ net salary with 85 hours and fixed predictable roster leaving in his own house in his own home town and his own country sleeping in his bed and no night flying at all. Married two kids 34 years old.The advantage for EK are evident. If you then put in the balance "hotties" that proves that you have seen too many movies... The few Ryanair DEC I met... are all back in Ryanair. And that says it all...
But on one point you are right... the heat.. LOADS OF HEAT!!!
Friend of mine A320 SFO EZ 5000+ net salary with 85 hours and fixed predictable roster leaving in his own house in his own home town and his own country sleeping in his bed and no night flying at all. Married two kids 34 years old.The advantage for EK are evident. If you then put in the balance "hotties" that proves that you have seen too many movies... The few Ryanair DEC I met... are all back in Ryanair. And that says it all...
But on one point you are right... the heat.. LOADS OF HEAT!!!
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I don't know what kind of pay some guys were receiving prior to coming to EK, but nowadays in anything but an established legacy carrier from a westernized country, pay is ****e!! Then you have extremely high taxes and cost of living (mortgage/rent) to deal with. My take home pay went up several hundred percent from flying in Canada, let alone with no mortgage to pay.
Guys will continue to apply, there is no doubt. Certainly better for single guys, much harder for the wife and family to adapt and be happy then it is for the guys going on layovers all over the world.
Opportunities to even be an FO on a modern widebody tend to be rare in most countries, let alone prospect of command in 5 yrs time frame give or take.
Some guys are never happy, that's a given. But I'm not one of the expats who's counting the days til I can go back home. If I could get the pay and lifestyle back home, maybe, but that's never going to happen.
Guys will continue to apply, there is no doubt. Certainly better for single guys, much harder for the wife and family to adapt and be happy then it is for the guys going on layovers all over the world.
Opportunities to even be an FO on a modern widebody tend to be rare in most countries, let alone prospect of command in 5 yrs time frame give or take.
Some guys are never happy, that's a given. But I'm not one of the expats who's counting the days til I can go back home. If I could get the pay and lifestyle back home, maybe, but that's never going to happen.
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A friend of mine,SFO at Easy on the 319, make more money than I do on the 330 at EY !
An other friend of mine, former SFO at Ryanair, who is at EY now on the W-B , used to make more money on the 737 !!!
Now lets talk about the western flag carriers.For instance in AF, a W-B FO make between 9000 and 12000 Euros net,a Cpt make between 12000 ( 320) and 25000 (380) net /month and these times 14 ! With pension , social security and unions , avoiding the losers in mgmt, to do what ever they want !
Those are facts !
An other friend of mine, former SFO at Ryanair, who is at EY now on the W-B , used to make more money on the 737 !!!
Now lets talk about the western flag carriers.For instance in AF, a W-B FO make between 9000 and 12000 Euros net,a Cpt make between 12000 ( 320) and 25000 (380) net /month and these times 14 ! With pension , social security and unions , avoiding the losers in mgmt, to do what ever they want !
Those are facts !
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and here we go....let's wait and see what comes up 
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Why the hell wouldn't a 26 year old want the keys to a shiny new B777 or A330 with the prospect of a wide body command in his mid 30's?
UAE.
Middle East.
Because not every pilot suffers from Small Dick Syndrome.
Next question?
There is nothing that will prove the aphorism "money isn't everything" more than using it as your only or main criteria to work for Emirates Airline.
Agreed it IS a curiousity how a few posters seem to have all the time in the world to act as apologists...is the official PR budget not large enough?
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Journey through India !
Just when you thought our obsession with the Indian Market was unparalleled..this caught my attention!
Travel Biz Monitor :: Emirates plans to pick up stake in Indian carrier
Travel Biz Monitor :: Emirates plans to pick up stake in Indian carrier
