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Saviboy,
Long term the Boeing will not be the expansion fleet... for the moment outstanding FIRM orders:
B773: 18 to come after April 2011.
B772F: 7 , not sure when...
A380: 80 to come (1 a month for the next 7 years)
A350: 70 to come ( first ones in 2014 officially, probably more like 2015)
Where do you think the expansion will be... A or B ?
There might however be me some extra orders for 777 in upcoming Farnborough airshow.
Long term the Boeing will not be the expansion fleet... for the moment outstanding FIRM orders:
B773: 18 to come after April 2011.
B772F: 7 , not sure when...
A380: 80 to come (1 a month for the next 7 years)
A350: 70 to come ( first ones in 2014 officially, probably more like 2015)
Where do you think the expansion will be... A or B ?
There might however be me some extra orders for 777 in upcoming Farnborough airshow.
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Captain Dart,
Sure! Left seat A380 at Emirates, based in MEL, month on/month off, and a Cathay paycheck. For good measure, they will throw in disease-free hookers for every overnight, roll out red carpet for you prior to every flight, and give you two servants to attend to your every needs. Your royal highness...........
Get off your high horse, seriously.
Sure! Left seat A380 at Emirates, based in MEL, month on/month off, and a Cathay paycheck. For good measure, they will throw in disease-free hookers for every overnight, roll out red carpet for you prior to every flight, and give you two servants to attend to your every needs. Your royal highness...........
Get off your high horse, seriously.
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I am currently flying for a regional in the USA and really interested in joining Emirates.
I currently have about 4500 hours with 3500 hours jet and 1500 hours PIC jet.
But all this time is RJ time, and i am hearing different things regarding the validity of the RJ as Emirates requirement.
Anyone here knows if Emirates will look at you with CRJ time or not?
Thanks for the help, and what about about Eithad and Qatar, are those also interesting choice in the middle east.
I currently have about 4500 hours with 3500 hours jet and 1500 hours PIC jet.
But all this time is RJ time, and i am hearing different things regarding the validity of the RJ as Emirates requirement.
Anyone here knows if Emirates will look at you with CRJ time or not?
Thanks for the help, and what about about Eithad and Qatar, are those also interesting choice in the middle east.
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Hi!
Another poster said -777, 747-8 and -330 at Farnbourough.
According to the website, RJ time is OK. BUT, in real life, I don't think any one person at EK could tell you what types of time meets the minimums.
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Another poster said -777, 747-8 and -330 at Farnbourough.
According to the website, RJ time is OK. BUT, in real life, I don't think any one person at EK could tell you what types of time meets the minimums.
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The DEC situation at Emirates has changed.
Firstly (stooping to your flame), the arrogance of suggesting you could come to the left seat ahead of a lot of 380 qualified FO's at EK - evokes a chuckle. Dont count on it.
Secondly, many who came in the past were willing to live with DEC's - as once your three years were up - then you would get the call. This has changed as a result of the FCI whereby the co. mandates a certain amount of time in EK aircraft. Many guys with ample heavy time (767, 747, MD11, 757, A300, A310, KC-10/135, C.17 etc) and fast jet time (fighter guys) are considered inexperienced as they do not meet the the co rule of 3000 EK type (according to the co the 744 is not an EK type because they are currently operated by Atlas, neither is the 310 because we dumped them).
So let me give you a couple of random examples. We have guys here with 7-10 years on MD-11's and 747's with other carriers who's numbers are up but no upgrade because of EK time or even better a guy who has spent three years on EK A310's within the operation who is back to scratch with hour one on the 330/777 - not to mention the FO sim instructor's who, by deciding to spend a lot of time in the sim (does'nt count) instructing, - are now screwed.
So, in light of the above, throw into the mix some arrogant DEC (cue the dick from MEL who wants the month on/off & the A scale)) and you have the potential for a very interesting dynamic.
That said - if you want to give it a shot - then go for it. You never know, you might find a cadet who will have a beer with you.
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Firstly (stooping to your flame), the arrogance of suggesting you could come to the left seat ahead of a lot of 380 qualified FO's at EK - evokes a chuckle. Dont count on it.
Secondly, many who came in the past were willing to live with DEC's - as once your three years were up - then you would get the call. This has changed as a result of the FCI whereby the co. mandates a certain amount of time in EK aircraft. Many guys with ample heavy time (767, 747, MD11, 757, A300, A310, KC-10/135, C.17 etc) and fast jet time (fighter guys) are considered inexperienced as they do not meet the the co rule of 3000 EK type (according to the co the 744 is not an EK type because they are currently operated by Atlas, neither is the 310 because we dumped them).
So let me give you a couple of random examples. We have guys here with 7-10 years on MD-11's and 747's with other carriers who's numbers are up but no upgrade because of EK time or even better a guy who has spent three years on EK A310's within the operation who is back to scratch with hour one on the 330/777 - not to mention the FO sim instructor's who, by deciding to spend a lot of time in the sim (does'nt count) instructing, - are now screwed.
So, in light of the above, throw into the mix some arrogant DEC (cue the dick from MEL who wants the month on/off & the A scale)) and you have the potential for a very interesting dynamic.
That said - if you want to give it a shot - then go for it. You never know, you might find a cadet who will have a beer with you.
f.
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fliion,
Generally speaking, a pretty stupid post.
For instance:-
Ok, so what exactly would NOT being willing to "Live" with DECS look like? Handbags at dawn? Refusing to raise the gear?
Then this:-
Ermm...is it just me or has anyone else noticed that guys can't tell when a post is written with a large amount of tongue in cheek?
And what exactly would this "Interesting Dynamic" look like? Seems to me like you are suggesting you would try and make the workplace unpleasant for someone if you didn't agree with the terms under which he was employed- no doubt with negative effects on flight safety- and you're one of the exemplary professionals the company should be promoting?
The company has sufficient qualified FOs and it should promote them. The hours policy is a rude, stupid reactionary move that is detrimental to a lot of good guys, the SFIs being a classic case.
But if you somehow think the company wouldn't hire DECs if it felt the need because people like you might not "Live with it", you've been out in the sun to long!!
Generally speaking, a pretty stupid post.
For instance:-
Secondly, many who came in the past were willing to live with DEC's
Then this:-
So, in light of the above, throw into the mix some arrogant DEC (cue the dick from MEL who wants the month on/off & the A scale)) and you have the potential for a very interesting dynamic.
And what exactly would this "Interesting Dynamic" look like? Seems to me like you are suggesting you would try and make the workplace unpleasant for someone if you didn't agree with the terms under which he was employed- no doubt with negative effects on flight safety- and you're one of the exemplary professionals the company should be promoting?
The company has sufficient qualified FOs and it should promote them. The hours policy is a rude, stupid reactionary move that is detrimental to a lot of good guys, the SFIs being a classic case.
But if you somehow think the company wouldn't hire DECs if it felt the need because people like you might not "Live with it", you've been out in the sun to long!!
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Wif,
Settle down my little lass.
Firstly, I did not mention that I would do anything untoward. You mentioned handbags - not me. The only action I referred to was outside the flight deck i.e. sharing a beer with with a guy who joined five weeks ago as you roll into your fifth year of the right seat.
Secondly by suggesting an interesting dynamic - not saying anything other than there would be anger at the co. which as we have seen in the last 18 mos has had a negative effect on retaining people and more importantly on recruiting people.
Thirdly, nothing stupid about the post - obviously anyone would be naive if they did not know the FO's general concerns. Just ask the any handfull their view on DECs as a replacement for the guys who cannot progress purely because of the FCI...
Fourthly, the co are very sensitive to recruiting DECs in the post FCI environment. Thats a fact (straight from the HR horses mouth)
Stop taking a post out of context and stirring it when its not there
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Settle down my little lass.
Firstly, I did not mention that I would do anything untoward. You mentioned handbags - not me. The only action I referred to was outside the flight deck i.e. sharing a beer with with a guy who joined five weeks ago as you roll into your fifth year of the right seat.
Secondly by suggesting an interesting dynamic - not saying anything other than there would be anger at the co. which as we have seen in the last 18 mos has had a negative effect on retaining people and more importantly on recruiting people.
Thirdly, nothing stupid about the post - obviously anyone would be naive if they did not know the FO's general concerns. Just ask the any handfull their view on DECs as a replacement for the guys who cannot progress purely because of the FCI...
Fourthly, the co are very sensitive to recruiting DECs in the post FCI environment. Thats a fact (straight from the HR horses mouth)
Stop taking a post out of context and stirring it when its not there
yawn
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Don't be surprised when EK employs DEC's that don't have the reqirements they demand of their FO's.
When DEC's were last employed, AAR stated that these captains would have 3000 hours on EK types, they then went and employed A320 and B737 qualified captains.
Just my opinion for what it's worth.
When DEC's were last employed, AAR stated that these captains would have 3000 hours on EK types, they then went and employed A320 and B737 qualified captains.
Just my opinion for what it's worth.
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Fliion,
The only thing that I will say is that the company could give a flip about the general concerns of the FO's affected by the FCI. I don't agree with DEC's, and HR might be saying that no DEC's are coming, but you would be stupid and naive if you weren't thinking that Flight Ops Management is not thinking about DEC's and that they are not on the table behind closed doors. They could care less what FO's think or feel. They care about bottom dollar, period. Cheaper to train a DEC than to upgrade an FO. Again, not that I agree with it. But don't keep your head in the sand thinking that they won't hire DEC's because of "FO Feelings". We frankly have a staffing problem. 700 new hires in 18 months is going to be a stretch. They have already said they are outsourcing training to new hires, when just two years ago, they said no more outsourced training. They've said no DEC's, well, just like everything else, change fits their needs, not ours. To say they won't hire DEC's because HR is saying it and that FO's will revolt (or whatever the terminology) is just ignorant. They will do what they need to do to keep planes moving. I would hope it would be to change the FCI to upgrade FO's here, but don't count on it. HR doesn't run the flight line or the staffing. They are given directions by Flt Ops and Upper Management to say we need "XXX" pilots, go get them. Flt Ops tells them DEC's next month, they will get DEC's next month.
The only thing that I will say is that the company could give a flip about the general concerns of the FO's affected by the FCI. I don't agree with DEC's, and HR might be saying that no DEC's are coming, but you would be stupid and naive if you weren't thinking that Flight Ops Management is not thinking about DEC's and that they are not on the table behind closed doors. They could care less what FO's think or feel. They care about bottom dollar, period. Cheaper to train a DEC than to upgrade an FO. Again, not that I agree with it. But don't keep your head in the sand thinking that they won't hire DEC's because of "FO Feelings". We frankly have a staffing problem. 700 new hires in 18 months is going to be a stretch. They have already said they are outsourcing training to new hires, when just two years ago, they said no more outsourced training. They've said no DEC's, well, just like everything else, change fits their needs, not ours. To say they won't hire DEC's because HR is saying it and that FO's will revolt (or whatever the terminology) is just ignorant. They will do what they need to do to keep planes moving. I would hope it would be to change the FCI to upgrade FO's here, but don't count on it. HR doesn't run the flight line or the staffing. They are given directions by Flt Ops and Upper Management to say we need "XXX" pilots, go get them. Flt Ops tells them DEC's next month, they will get DEC's next month.
fliion,
My post may have been a bit harsh. I won't delete it to maintain context, but I do appologise for its tone.
I will say two things to you though:-
Firstly, for Pete sake take Captain Darts post with the humour and irony with which it was intended.
Secondly, even if you would refuse to have a beer with a DEC, that is being unneccessarily churlish and mis-directed.
Once you have a Command. Will you undertake here and now to never take a job anywhere else as a DEC, if ANY of the FOs at that company feel they deserve the Command ahead of you?
The company would be wrong to take DECs with the number of qualified FOs available. But if they did, that is THEIR fault, not the fault of someone simply taking a position offered to them.
The company may owe you some loyalty, the rest of the world doesn't!
My post may have been a bit harsh. I won't delete it to maintain context, but I do appologise for its tone.
I will say two things to you though:-
Firstly, for Pete sake take Captain Darts post with the humour and irony with which it was intended.
Secondly, even if you would refuse to have a beer with a DEC, that is being unneccessarily churlish and mis-directed.
Once you have a Command. Will you undertake here and now to never take a job anywhere else as a DEC, if ANY of the FOs at that company feel they deserve the Command ahead of you?
The company would be wrong to take DECs with the number of qualified FOs available. But if they did, that is THEIR fault, not the fault of someone simply taking a position offered to them.
The company may owe you some loyalty, the rest of the world doesn't!
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Bring the minimums down to 1500-2000TT with an ATPL and they will fill the positions no problem. Which will also solve most of the problems going on right now.
I know maybe a lot of you more experienced guys out there think this is a joke and a bit rash but it will work and there are tons of unemployed pilots around this experience mark who can do the job just as well with sufficient aeronautical experience as the candidates at the 4000/2000 mark.
Laugh or not, I doubt the problem will be resolved until management take a more drastic look on recruitment minima
I now await the abuse......
I know maybe a lot of you more experienced guys out there think this is a joke and a bit rash but it will work and there are tons of unemployed pilots around this experience mark who can do the job just as well with sufficient aeronautical experience as the candidates at the 4000/2000 mark.
Laugh or not, I doubt the problem will be resolved until management take a more drastic look on recruitment minima
I now await the abuse......
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Fred,
Never said they (HR & mgt) were'nt thinking about it...I said they were sensitive to it. Big difference.
Wiz,
Childish & churlish?...or perhaps better to head off a potential conversation that neither party agree on and that could get out of hand.
Other than that...all good points. We shall see.
f
Never said they (HR & mgt) were'nt thinking about it...I said they were sensitive to it. Big difference.
Wiz,
Childish & churlish?...or perhaps better to head off a potential conversation that neither party agree on and that could get out of hand.
Other than that...all good points. We shall see.
f
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The hours policy is a rude, stupid reactionary move that is detrimental to .........the SFIs
Instead of thinking about developing themselves as FOs, they sat in the sim pushing buttons - for LESS money than the training captains. They helped the company screw the old hands.
No one I know feels sorry for them.
What a divided lot the EK pilots are.
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Instead of thinking about developing themselves as FOs, they sat in the sim pushing buttons
for LESS money than the training captains.
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What happens if after successful interview you decide not to take the job right away? Let's say one would like to start to work there in a year or two. Does it make sense to join the interview now and let them know or is it better to postpone the interview?