Der Fuhrer fails his PPC..
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So what happened in NRT?
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Binned a post from Alconguin Crusader that was way out of line (take a yellow card Sir) and a few that picked up on the drivel he was espousing. Carry on guys.
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Give it a rest.
The guy is a moron, but remember he is a management pilot. Hence he has no routine, and is slightly more unsafe to operate aircraft than the average line pilot.
More management pilots should fail their PPCs. Its only natural..
The religion slander belongs in irish vilage. Not here..
The guy is a moron, but remember he is a management pilot. Hence he has no routine, and is slightly more unsafe to operate aircraft than the average line pilot.
More management pilots should fail their PPCs. Its only natural..
The religion slander belongs in irish vilage. Not here..
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Be careful of slagging all management pilots off, I am not on the Boeing Fleet but know well of the reputation of the individual in question and have seen it directly with my neighbours after they returned from their command interviews.
I flew recently with an Airbus management guy (Westerner) and although he freely admits his skills are not as sharp as they were as a line guy, the cockpit was run very professionally and I had no issues with how he "drove the bus" what-so-ever.
Having been in their shoes in another company, I can echo the statements of previous posters, if you are honest and up-front about your lack of sharpness, guys will be sympathetic. However this is clearly not the case and yes I have witnessed said Boeing person in front of the ELOM guys trying to see if he really did pooch an approach or was it the tailwinds that he didn't account for. I thought after his almost reconcilliatory attitude that day he would have learned something, obviously the "wake up call" didn't sink in.
Has it now.....
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Be careful of slagging all management pilots off, I am not on the Boeing Fleet but know well of the reputation of the individual in question and have seen it directly with my neighbours after they returned from their command interviews.
I flew recently with an Airbus management guy (Westerner) and although he freely admits his skills are not as sharp as they were as a line guy, the cockpit was run very professionally and I had no issues with how he "drove the bus" what-so-ever.
Having been in their shoes in another company, I can echo the statements of previous posters, if you are honest and up-front about your lack of sharpness, guys will be sympathetic. However this is clearly not the case and yes I have witnessed said Boeing person in front of the ELOM guys trying to see if he really did pooch an approach or was it the tailwinds that he didn't account for. I thought after his almost reconcilliatory attitude that day he would have learned something, obviously the "wake up call" didn't sink in.
Has it now.....
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My point is that maybe pilots shouldnt be in management, or if they are they should fly a recurrent sim every month to stay on top of things or resign from line flying. Maybe this fella never was very good. I dont know... however, it not really news worthy, is it?
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It's newsworthy if the individual doing evaluations and dishing out punishment on line pilots, and he himself cannot adhere to the standard he is setting. Or maybe he needs to do a few sectors besides inaugaral flights. A Bahrain turn or Tehran turn on a Friday or Saturday should surfice.
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Management should lead by example!
Even the dumbest of them know that! So when they can't, they start dishing out the **** to the ranks.
It's a proverbial story.
And much more common than most of us realize.
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It's a proverbial story.
And much more common than most of us realize.
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Practice makes perfect
Or maybe he needs to do a few sectors besides inaugural flights. A Bahrain turn or Tehran turn on a Friday or Saturday should suffice.
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Having to work at the weekend? No no no, that really isn't on you know.
Next thing you'll be expecting them to work a full day in the office then come in for a PPC. Err........hang on a minute......wasn't that what actually happened!!!
As someone just posted, good managers lead by example. Giving warnings to pilots for not being back in Dubai after days off and being 'acclimatised' before flights is simply boll**ks when you havn't rested yourself.
Harry
Next thing you'll be expecting them to work a full day in the office then come in for a PPC. Err........hang on a minute......wasn't that what actually happened!!!
As someone just posted, good managers lead by example. Giving warnings to pilots for not being back in Dubai after days off and being 'acclimatised' before flights is simply boll**ks when you havn't rested yourself.
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Harry,
The thing about haven' to be acclimitized before a flight after leave is bull*cks. The acclimatized thing has to be applied BETWEEN pairs and thus constrains operators from planning crazy pairs one after the other. However the company has nothing to do with what you do in your free time.
I've not been acclimatized several times after my leave and I will do it again and again. And didn't get a letter yet from the tw*t. If he would send me one, I'll stuff it up his **se personally....
The thing about haven' to be acclimitized before a flight after leave is bull*cks. The acclimatized thing has to be applied BETWEEN pairs and thus constrains operators from planning crazy pairs one after the other. However the company has nothing to do with what you do in your free time.
I've not been acclimatized several times after my leave and I will do it again and again. And didn't get a letter yet from the tw*t. If he would send me one, I'll stuff it up his **se personally....
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In the vernacular that you aspire to use, sir, they are generally referred to as "bOll*cks" and not "bUll*cks" - which, as everybody knows, are young bulls!
Harry,
The thing about haven' to be acclimitized before a flight after leave is bull*cks. The acclimatized thing has to be applied BETWEEN pairs and thus constrains operators from planning crazy pairs one after the other. However the company has nothing to do with what you do in your free time.
I've not been acclimatized several times after my leave and I will do it again and again. And didn't get a letter yet from the tw*t. If he would send me one, I'll stuff it up his **se personally....
The thing about haven' to be acclimitized before a flight after leave is bull*cks. The acclimatized thing has to be applied BETWEEN pairs and thus constrains operators from planning crazy pairs one after the other. However the company has nothing to do with what you do in your free time.
I've not been acclimatized several times after my leave and I will do it again and again. And didn't get a letter yet from the tw*t. If he would send me one, I'll stuff it up his **se personally....
You are acclimatised if you spend two local nights within a 2hr time-zone difference.
If you don't, you're not.
That is why we are always assigned two days off after leave.
You may have gotten away with it, but if you were ever found to have busted FTLs through not being acclimitised, you would have some 'splaining to do!
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Originally Posted by wizofoz
That is why we are always assigned two days off after leave.
I'm sure that's true if you say so, WK but, including your day off, did that mean two local nights before commencing duty?
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2 local nights Wiz - that's a different thing Although I'm sure that in the past I've been rostered back day after leave, but heck, my memory is turned to a mushy mess recently... I wonder why?
TRV anybody??????
Although I'm sure that in the past I've been rostered back day after leave, but heck, my memory is turned to a mushy mess recently... I wonder why?TRV anybody??????
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5star, Better check some of the boys that have been removed from ULRs and called in to explain when they haven't been within two time zones prior to the ULR. It is happening, believe me, it is. Moral of the story, don't bid a ULR during a month with leave.
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Originally Posted by helen-damnation
are expected to return on the last day of your leave. The extra day off is to ensure you are acclimatised for the following day,
Originally Posted by Wizofoz
You are acclimatised if you spend two local nights within a 2hr time-zone difference.
By the way, you don't need to have been free of duty furing the night. You can be on night turnarounds each night and still be acclimatised.
Not a lot of people know that! The day off after leave is mandatory (so far) but is not for acclimatisation for a ULR or anything else. The old FOM requirement is that you're back in Dubai "in good time, properly rested and ready to commence the first duty."
They put out a "letter" a few months back saying for acclimatisation you'd be rostered a ULR trip thusly:
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"By the way, you don't need to have been free of duty furing the night. You canbe on night turnarounds each night and still be acclimatised. Not a lot of people know that!"
The reason not a lot of people don't know that is because it is NOT TRUE.
OM A Section 7, page 7 Definitions
Acclimatised:
When a crew member has spent 3 consecutive local nights ON THE GROUND within a time zone which is 2 hours wide, and is ABLE TO TAKE UNINTERRUPTED NIGHTS SLEEP. The crew member will remain acclimatised thereafter until a duty period finishes at a place where local time differs by more than 2 hours from that at the point of departure.
HUB
"By the way, you don't need to have been free of duty furing the night. You canbe on night turnarounds each night and still be acclimatised. Not a lot of people know that!"
The reason not a lot of people don't know that is because it is NOT TRUE.
OM A Section 7, page 7 Definitions
Acclimatised:
When a crew member has spent 3 consecutive local nights ON THE GROUND within a time zone which is 2 hours wide, and is ABLE TO TAKE UNINTERRUPTED NIGHTS SLEEP. The crew member will remain acclimatised thereafter until a duty period finishes at a place where local time differs by more than 2 hours from that at the point of departure.
HUB