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Nah.
Spin it any old which way you want, smug yourself to death if you can about cars to work and job security, etc ad nauseum but Dubai is still a third-world ****hole with the mentality to match and Emirates is just petty tyrants. *yawn*
If the best that can be said is that it's better than OTHER crappy outfits in even less desirable locales, well...keep raising that bar, men!
Nothing to be jealous of and I have no reason to be since I'm warming a seat for these fools. It's a job nothing more and hey, bills have to be paid. But I'm not gonna eat **** and pretend it's a sandwich either. I mean I do understand that after awhile people start to lose their grip on reality, but come on.
To each their own. I always have to look on in amazement though, as people state all the positives with a straight face. The things we do to survive and congratulate ourselves, I suppose.
Spin it any old which way you want, smug yourself to death if you can about cars to work and job security, etc ad nauseum but Dubai is still a third-world ****hole with the mentality to match and Emirates is just petty tyrants. *yawn*
If the best that can be said is that it's better than OTHER crappy outfits in even less desirable locales, well...keep raising that bar, men!
Nothing to be jealous of and I have no reason to be since I'm warming a seat for these fools. It's a job nothing more and hey, bills have to be paid. But I'm not gonna eat **** and pretend it's a sandwich either. I mean I do understand that after awhile people start to lose their grip on reality, but come on.
To each their own. I always have to look on in amazement though, as people state all the positives with a straight face. The things we do to survive and congratulate ourselves, I suppose.
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Anyone else ever fly with a guy for whom nothing will ever be good enough? A first class, gold plated seat to a week long layover in paradise surrounded by free booze and hot women...and some guys will STILL complain that the booze isn't the right brand and the bikinis are the wrong color.
Point of order, Mr Speaker, rhetorical question...
Point of order, Mr Speaker, rhetorical question...
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BYMONEK and White Knight
Glad to hear you both love EK and Dubai because you have no chance of ever leaving. No jobs in UK for either of you even if you wanted one back there and it is a shrinking world of opportunity for ex-pat aircrew. The places you could consider moving to are getting fewer and fewer and offer no improvement.
WK I knew I could rely on you for a cheap childish comment.
BYMONEK What heatwave? It is always warm here in the S of France where I spend most of summer but I am in land of OZ presently and NO I most definitely did not use EK to get there
Enjoy your heatwave for the next few months in Dubai.
Glad to hear you both love EK and Dubai because you have no chance of ever leaving. No jobs in UK for either of you even if you wanted one back there and it is a shrinking world of opportunity for ex-pat aircrew. The places you could consider moving to are getting fewer and fewer and offer no improvement.
WK I knew I could rely on you for a cheap childish comment.
BYMONEK What heatwave? It is always warm here in the S of France where I spend most of summer but I am in land of OZ presently and NO I most definitely did not use EK to get there
Enjoy your heatwave for the next few months in Dubai.
But I'm not gonna eat **** and pretend it's a sandwich either.
If you were naive enough to come here not understanding the limitations and pratfalls of working in the ME, I may fell sympathy for you, but ultimately that was your decision and your funeral.
For you to be so openly contemptuous of people who did their homework, knew what they were getting into, and are now making the most of what they have is disingenuous and churlish.
Nothing at EK has come as a surprise to me. A lot of things I would rather be different, but it is what it is and, on balance, it is the best place for me and my family at the moment.
Your continued presence here would indicate the same is true for you, you just don't seem capable of dealing with that fact and enjoying life while you are here.
You fu***d up. You left North America which, after all, is the ONLY way of life worth living. OK, we get it. How exactly is denigrating people who are not as miserable as you helpful?
Just by the way- where did you leave to come here, and what was your opinion of your LAST job before you decided to come?
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Originally Posted by millerscourt
WK I knew I could rely on you for a cheap childish comment.
As for wanting to work in UK again... No thankyou
I'll enjoy my time off and holidays in Spain- you enjoy the south of France as I'm sure you've earnt it (sincerely
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Nolimithold - I pity the guys you fly with. Unless you find a kindred spirit next to you of course.
It is indeed getting boring, and I agree with the previous poster. Do move on.
Breachofcontractville? That was of course before you joined EK, right?
It is indeed getting boring, and I agree with the previous poster. Do move on.
Breachofcontractville? That was of course before you joined EK, right?
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Emirates Staff Discount Card.
We constantly read Dubai is a very expensive place to live!
Where & what discounts do you get with the staff card ?
In particular a family membership at a good Beach / Leisure club ?
Cheers.
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BYMONEK - thankyou for a refreshing positive attitude to EK !!!
It's nice to read something good about EK for a change on here !!!
Where & what discounts do you get with the staff card ?
In particular a family membership at a good Beach / Leisure club ?
Cheers.
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BYMONEK - thankyou for a refreshing positive attitude to EK !!!
It's nice to read something good about EK for a change on here !!!
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Plot
Quite a few good beach clubs available free of charge once you join the EPC (run by a fantastic group of dedicated pilots here in EK).
They (EPC) have an extensive list of deals here in Dubai & beyond, making life here seem a little less expensive.
AP: I hear you. I spent three years flying with the same small group of sad b*stards. And guess what, only one of them has left the company during the last 9 years. Someone needs to grow a new set of balls! I suspect they are still posting the same old, same old here on pPrune.
Rumour has it that the one who left was less than thrilled with his new job in Aussie-land and requested to re-join EK. And was not allowed in, I'm happy to say.
Less crap from the FO's, apart from the obvious discontentment with the incredibly stupid change to the upgrade policy.
Quite a few good beach clubs available free of charge once you join the EPC (run by a fantastic group of dedicated pilots here in EK).
They (EPC) have an extensive list of deals here in Dubai & beyond, making life here seem a little less expensive.
AP: I hear you. I spent three years flying with the same small group of sad b*stards. And guess what, only one of them has left the company during the last 9 years. Someone needs to grow a new set of balls! I suspect they are still posting the same old, same old here on pPrune.
Rumour has it that the one who left was less than thrilled with his new job in Aussie-land and requested to re-join EK. And was not allowed in, I'm happy to say.
Less crap from the FO's, apart from the obvious discontentment with the incredibly stupid change to the upgrade policy.
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Hi everyone!
Hi everyone!
I had a call from EK recruiter the other day and after that my application
status changed from underview to shortlisted. Does that mean I will be
invited for the screening soon? And if so, how long will it take to be invited?
Thanks for any info!
I had a call from EK recruiter the other day and after that my application
status changed from underview to shortlisted. Does that mean I will be
invited for the screening soon? And if so, how long will it take to be invited?
Thanks for any info!
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If 1 or 2 or even 3 people would complain about flying at Emirates...
Ok take it with a grain of salt. But that's not the case. MANY people are complaining about flying at Emirates... Even people I know that fly there. There must be s certain amount of truth about how bad it is. No?
Ok take it with a grain of salt. But that's not the case. MANY people are complaining about flying at Emirates... Even people I know that fly there. There must be s certain amount of truth about how bad it is. No?
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While it is true that all pilots should be paid more and be afforded a good QOL, etc, etc, etc, - if you are applying to EK you should know that you would be moving to a foreign country in which your rules, culture, standard of living from your home country may not match. Don't be so naive to think that everything will be the same. Guess what, you ain't in Kansas any more. The culture will be different. The attitude toward foreigners will be different. The lifestyle may be different. It is a different country - so, expect some big differences...
I am sure that if you grew up in a Pakistani village, Dubai might be a huge improvement. People from India might prefer Dubai to the squalor of Mumbai. Pilots from parts of Africa might be thrilled with life in Dubai vs. their previous situation. So, life is relative. If you move to Dubai and you expect it to be exactly the same as life in London, Paris, Chicago or Melbourne, you are naive and a sucker.
Don't be stupid and set your expectations so high that they can't be achieved. At the very least, view it as an adventure and expect big bumps in the road.
I am sure that if you grew up in a Pakistani village, Dubai might be a huge improvement. People from India might prefer Dubai to the squalor of Mumbai. Pilots from parts of Africa might be thrilled with life in Dubai vs. their previous situation. So, life is relative. If you move to Dubai and you expect it to be exactly the same as life in London, Paris, Chicago or Melbourne, you are naive and a sucker.
Don't be stupid and set your expectations so high that they can't be achieved. At the very least, view it as an adventure and expect big bumps in the road.
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I fly on a daily basis with guys who are extremely disappointed with things at EK but they usually comment after the flight that it was nice to fly with someone who was honest about things, yet not bitter. I agree that if a person is so twisted about things that it affects their job performance, they should quit. (even if their veiwpoints are justified)
I rarely fly with guys who are not good guys and that is the saving grace of this airline. But there is no denying the fact, that this company has gone too far.
There is actually a thread about pilots versus engineers which proves that there are always a few individuals within any category who disparage the majority. Read Bin Liner's, Mana's and most other ''always PRO-emirates'' posters and it should be obvious they aren't exactly the Einsteins of our group or any group for that matter.
Yeah, there are some great things about Dubai and EK and I am the first to admit and appreciate those things. But a person must be able to deal with the incredibly bad aspects in order to take advantage of the good things. You might be driving to The Grand Habtoor for an afternoon of relaxation with a silly grin on your face!!! and then in an instant you have some blacked-out Land Cruiser jeorpardizing the lives of your family.
With respect to EK, you might find yourself sitting in cruise with a silly grin on your face as the L1 brings you a coffee and sits down to have a chat!!! and then 6 (or 14) hours later you find yourself missing radios calls because you are so fatigued at 0530am.
Pilots would understand and deal with things better if not for the fact that EK management is so deceptive. Damn it all... treat us like the intelligent and decent people we are and just tell us you are screwing with our lives and let us make our own decisions.
But no, TCAS continues to stand up and say, '' I will support your decisions provided they are sound'', Yet history proves that he and AAR will take every opportunity to blame pilots regarding any issue. I cannot honestly think of one example when our 2 most senior bosses took the side of a pilot if it required some fortitude and intelligence.
If not for the Fatigue issue, which is one of the biggest issues in aviation then even in spite of the EK BS, this would still be a great job.
Unfortunately, every now and then you will have to fly with the likes of Bin Liner who simply is not suitable for this job. Hey Bin, you the lad who failed your sim and subsequently reported the Captain for absconding.... thereby punishing his intregity and honesty with a day in jail? A proud moment for you I imagine.
The hypocracy of this place is like no other. I find it amusing at times but only because my good fortune continues with respect to such issues. There will come a day though for most pilots who stay beyond 10 years, when something occurs which cannot be excused..... it is inevitable.
All expat pilots at EK SHOULD have an exit plan, because things can go sour in a heartbeat.
I rarely fly with guys who are not good guys and that is the saving grace of this airline. But there is no denying the fact, that this company has gone too far.
There is actually a thread about pilots versus engineers which proves that there are always a few individuals within any category who disparage the majority. Read Bin Liner's, Mana's and most other ''always PRO-emirates'' posters and it should be obvious they aren't exactly the Einsteins of our group or any group for that matter.
Yeah, there are some great things about Dubai and EK and I am the first to admit and appreciate those things. But a person must be able to deal with the incredibly bad aspects in order to take advantage of the good things. You might be driving to The Grand Habtoor for an afternoon of relaxation with a silly grin on your face!!! and then in an instant you have some blacked-out Land Cruiser jeorpardizing the lives of your family.
With respect to EK, you might find yourself sitting in cruise with a silly grin on your face as the L1 brings you a coffee and sits down to have a chat!!! and then 6 (or 14) hours later you find yourself missing radios calls because you are so fatigued at 0530am.
Pilots would understand and deal with things better if not for the fact that EK management is so deceptive. Damn it all... treat us like the intelligent and decent people we are and just tell us you are screwing with our lives and let us make our own decisions.
But no, TCAS continues to stand up and say, '' I will support your decisions provided they are sound'', Yet history proves that he and AAR will take every opportunity to blame pilots regarding any issue. I cannot honestly think of one example when our 2 most senior bosses took the side of a pilot if it required some fortitude and intelligence.
If not for the Fatigue issue, which is one of the biggest issues in aviation then even in spite of the EK BS, this would still be a great job.
Unfortunately, every now and then you will have to fly with the likes of Bin Liner who simply is not suitable for this job. Hey Bin, you the lad who failed your sim and subsequently reported the Captain for absconding.... thereby punishing his intregity and honesty with a day in jail? A proud moment for you I imagine.
The hypocracy of this place is like no other. I find it amusing at times but only because my good fortune continues with respect to such issues. There will come a day though for most pilots who stay beyond 10 years, when something occurs which cannot be excused..... it is inevitable.
All expat pilots at EK SHOULD have an exit plan, because things can go sour in a heartbeat.
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But no, TCAS continues to stand up and say, '' I will support your decisions provided they are sound'', Yet history proves that he and AAR will take every opportunity to blame pilots regarding any issue. I cannot honestly think of one example when our 2 most senior bosses took the side of a pilot if it required some fortitude and intelligence
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Why are a few posters so afraid of calling a spade a spade? Could it be that they're trying desperately to rationalize a decision they can't reverse? Justifying the years they can't get back? The investments they can't recover?
Wiz, we're eating the same thing...if you choose to label it something else to make it more palatable then good for you! Don't "denigrate" me for not being able to take your approach...;-)
On any given flight it isn't so much a matter of finding a kindred spirit...I am invariably the more positive of the two (or four)! lol
Whomever said that because I think Dubai is a dump and Emirates, bullies, that I must be miserable? More like wishful thinking, I think. But alas, for now it is...the place that puts dirhams in pocket. And my "misery" is somewhat mitigated but the sheer amount of tail available in Dubai! Still a hole though. Can you not understand that it's ability to provide a salary (for now) does not make it good?
The earnest defenders are far more boring, in my not so humble opinion. Ok we get it, you would have lost your job in the UK, not made as much money, not had a company car take you to work. But quit spinning your **** to prospective joiners, EK has a whole propaganda department with a massive budget to do that already! I'm sure they appreciate your help but they don't need it.
Listening to the apologizers is like the Orwellian decree about fatigue from EK....hey we did a study and it said you weren't tired, so you must not be! ("HMMM....must...be....wrong....then....ZZZZzzzzzz....")
lol
Let's just agree to disagree. We each seem to have found a way to make it work, in some twisted way.