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Ah, but to be fair: just because the company is enlightened enough to allow "controlled rest" (not all companies do) on the flight deck does not mean there has ever been a policy or obligation to provide bedding! If there happen to be spare pillows etc during the cruise I'll happily take advantage, however the point of the comment on the weekly report was that a few pilots are demanding these items as a matter of right, potentially leaving premium passengers without something they've paid for. It's all how you approach it and some of us are our own worst enemies. Regarding the CRC - you'd be hard pressed to make a valid safety argument for dragging extra bedding down to it; whats provided is adequate and meets all the US regs and advisories. Though its location doesn't.
On the other hand the point was poorly made - threats just alienate the audience.
On the other hand the point was poorly made - threats just alienate the audience.
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There is an approved proceedure here (regardless of what other companies have or have not approved!) and items should be provided to enable the rest to be of a good quality.
We operate on two crew operation annex flights of such long duration that this facility is necessary to keep the operation safe.
I agree that there should be no requirement to take the passenger items. There should be a set provided on the flight deck! It only means putting two extra items when the aircraft is serviced by the cleaners.
We operate on two crew operation annex flights of such long duration that this facility is necessary to keep the operation safe.
I agree that there should be no requirement to take the passenger items. There should be a set provided on the flight deck! It only means putting two extra items when the aircraft is serviced by the cleaners.
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The purpose of controlled rest is to allow pilots to be fit and rested for the more demanding phases of a flight. Requesting a pillow and blanket to help achieve that goal, is not even in the realm of being demanding!
If allegedly a 'few' pilots have demanded these items in an improper manner, then why should the company punish the majority, because of the improper actions of the few? In my 1500+ sectors at this airline, I have never witnessed my colleague demand something to the detriment of ANY passenger. The rationalization for this latest policy is complete and utter BS, yet once again some of us have fallen for the deception.
The net result of this insane policy is yet another lowering of flight safety standards based on the demands of an 'all too powerful' cabin services department.
And NO, never in the history of this airline, has a Premium Cabin pax gone without ANYTHING... because the pilots were snuggled up in caviar-encrusted duvets, soundly sleeping in comfort.
This latest dictate from the ever-wise and intelligent Edward, is yet another example of exactly what is wrong with this airline. Flt Ops has exceptionally poor leadership! Somehow and somewhere in the history of this airline, the other departments have realized that their lives would be so much easier if Flt Ops hired or promoted ineffectual individuals. Without a doubt, they have achieved their goal.
AAR (if he didn't despise pilots so much),TCAS for sure and even ED (if he had any concept of leadership or anything resembling a back-bone), SHOULD have told Cabin Services to grow up! If Cabin Services has a heartache with pilots trying to mitigate fatigue, then the simple solution is to upload extra pillows and blankets on certain flights! What is that.... 2 pillows, 2 blankets at a combined weight of.... 2kgs?????
As for the CRC, why do pilots sometimes take an extra pillow or blanket for their rest? BECAUSE IT BETTER ENABLES THEM TO ACHIEVE PROPER REST!!! Isn't that supposed to be the objective of in-flight rest? Damn, its not like we are requesting silk sleeping garments, hypo-allergenic pillows or even humidifiers that work!
Obviously Emirates has achieved its goal of lowering our expectations so far that some of us are actually trying to rationalize any and all, mandates.
Yeah... we are our own worst enemies!
If allegedly a 'few' pilots have demanded these items in an improper manner, then why should the company punish the majority, because of the improper actions of the few? In my 1500+ sectors at this airline, I have never witnessed my colleague demand something to the detriment of ANY passenger. The rationalization for this latest policy is complete and utter BS, yet once again some of us have fallen for the deception.
The net result of this insane policy is yet another lowering of flight safety standards based on the demands of an 'all too powerful' cabin services department.
And NO, never in the history of this airline, has a Premium Cabin pax gone without ANYTHING... because the pilots were snuggled up in caviar-encrusted duvets, soundly sleeping in comfort.
This latest dictate from the ever-wise and intelligent Edward, is yet another example of exactly what is wrong with this airline. Flt Ops has exceptionally poor leadership! Somehow and somewhere in the history of this airline, the other departments have realized that their lives would be so much easier if Flt Ops hired or promoted ineffectual individuals. Without a doubt, they have achieved their goal.
AAR (if he didn't despise pilots so much),TCAS for sure and even ED (if he had any concept of leadership or anything resembling a back-bone), SHOULD have told Cabin Services to grow up! If Cabin Services has a heartache with pilots trying to mitigate fatigue, then the simple solution is to upload extra pillows and blankets on certain flights! What is that.... 2 pillows, 2 blankets at a combined weight of.... 2kgs?????
As for the CRC, why do pilots sometimes take an extra pillow or blanket for their rest? BECAUSE IT BETTER ENABLES THEM TO ACHIEVE PROPER REST!!! Isn't that supposed to be the objective of in-flight rest? Damn, its not like we are requesting silk sleeping garments, hypo-allergenic pillows or even humidifiers that work!
Obviously Emirates has achieved its goal of lowering our expectations so far that some of us are actually trying to rationalize any and all, mandates.
Yeah... we are our own worst enemies!
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I take a duvet from first if there is one available. Believe it or not. the odds of me sleeping go up when I have that duvet. I will keep taking that duvet IF one is available and don't care if it means a trip to the Chief Pilots office. I am drawing the line here.
Just look at the effort the company has put in regarding unstable approaches. If only they would 10% of that effort to reduce overall pilot fatigue and tiredness. EK would be a safer airline, there is no doubt. Come on guys in management wake up. You may not like the pilots, but if one of us has another serious incident, the whole airline pays. You must take a positive interest in our wellbeing.
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Just look at the effort the company has put in regarding unstable approaches. If only they would 10% of that effort to reduce overall pilot fatigue and tiredness. EK would be a safer airline, there is no doubt. Come on guys in management wake up. You may not like the pilots, but if one of us has another serious incident, the whole airline pays. You must take a positive interest in our wellbeing.
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Same same, I do the same, do you really think I will put PAX in danger for not having a proper rest, If it is avlb I always take one. F...the FCI, I ll be very happy to discuss about it with the chief.
Peoples from the TOP, don't forget you might have your wife and kids on my flight, so think about SAFETY and pilots well beeing first.....
Peoples from the TOP, don't forget you might have your wife and kids on my flight, so think about SAFETY and pilots well beeing first.....
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FCI?.....what FCI?
A note in the 'weekly news' is not going to make me lose any sleep over it. (yep, pun intended
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Fair enough not to rip one from a pax who's stumped up heaps of cash, but otherwise, well I'd look forward to meeting the CP for the first time!
A note in the 'weekly news' is not going to make me lose any sleep over it. (yep, pun intended
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Fair enough not to rip one from a pax who's stumped up heaps of cash, but otherwise, well I'd look forward to meeting the CP for the first time!