Who would you recommend to join EK
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I can't really think of anyone I hate enough to recommend they work for Emirates. In fact I do the opposite in the hopes that maybe even one decent person might be spared the cynical lie that Emirates/Dubai is.
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It is simply NOT the time to join Emirates. There may well be one in the future, but not now (only if you are out of a job, naturally). Why?
They change your working conditions almost by the minute, and always to your detriment. This might be true as well for other outfits, but none of them wrap it up in lies to shove it down to you, sometimes even trying to convince you that it is to your benefit!!! I understand the necessity of cost cutting but refuse to accept blunt insult to our intelligence. Such management loses all credibility on the spot and that should be a major reason not to join.
They have to show some respect for the workforce, even in difficult times. Managers display double morale all over the world, giving themselves nice boni and cutting benefits for the other employees. Nowhere else though have i seen such lack of trying to cover this fraud up. They simply don't care about us and now want us to help finding new victims. This is either utter stupidity or utter contempt. Your choice, but another reason not to join.
They have sacked employees for peanuts. Some sacking can be explained, but most of them can only be traced to a mideval mindset. It's never their fault, so why should i lure in some new scapegoats for their lack of proficiency?
What has to happen to attract new joiners is, first, a stabilisation of change. What has been signed, promised and written in their own books has to be applied consistently. Second they have to stop pleasing the puerile low characters in certain positions. Management/postholders have to become accountable for what its name stands for. Futile sackings have to stop and give place to serious and competent inquiries. Third they have to get the T&Cs back up to where they allow a normal life AND retirement. EK wants to be a legacy carrier with the appropriate brand and safety standard and must therefore allow a carreer beyond the phase it takes the average Joe to untie his commitments in Dubai and leave disgusted.
Then I will reconsider contacting friends.
They change your working conditions almost by the minute, and always to your detriment. This might be true as well for other outfits, but none of them wrap it up in lies to shove it down to you, sometimes even trying to convince you that it is to your benefit!!! I understand the necessity of cost cutting but refuse to accept blunt insult to our intelligence. Such management loses all credibility on the spot and that should be a major reason not to join.
They have to show some respect for the workforce, even in difficult times. Managers display double morale all over the world, giving themselves nice boni and cutting benefits for the other employees. Nowhere else though have i seen such lack of trying to cover this fraud up. They simply don't care about us and now want us to help finding new victims. This is either utter stupidity or utter contempt. Your choice, but another reason not to join.
They have sacked employees for peanuts. Some sacking can be explained, but most of them can only be traced to a mideval mindset. It's never their fault, so why should i lure in some new scapegoats for their lack of proficiency?
What has to happen to attract new joiners is, first, a stabilisation of change. What has been signed, promised and written in their own books has to be applied consistently. Second they have to stop pleasing the puerile low characters in certain positions. Management/postholders have to become accountable for what its name stands for. Futile sackings have to stop and give place to serious and competent inquiries. Third they have to get the T&Cs back up to where they allow a normal life AND retirement. EK wants to be a legacy carrier with the appropriate brand and safety standard and must therefore allow a carreer beyond the phase it takes the average Joe to untie his commitments in Dubai and leave disgusted.
Then I will reconsider contacting friends.
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For those of you who work for EK, check your portal e-mail's, they have sent us a glossy ad asking us to recommend FO's!
Funny, I remember the arrogant wa***rs telling us they had plenty of applicants.
Me thinks the wheels are starting to come off
Funny, I remember the arrogant wa***rs telling us they had plenty of applicants.
Me thinks the wheels are starting to come off
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Seven or eight years ago, their best recruiting tool was this very website and their own pilots. Oh how the times have changed!!!!
Management seem to believe that the pilots are pushing some political agenda, to deliberately screw the company and totally refuse to accept that they have done anything deserving the Pilot group's contempt.
Worrying how these supposedly responsible managers holding important positions are able to live in a such a state of denial and fantasy!
Management seem to believe that the pilots are pushing some political agenda, to deliberately screw the company and totally refuse to accept that they have done anything deserving the Pilot group's contempt.
Worrying how these supposedly responsible managers holding important positions are able to live in a such a state of denial and fantasy!
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I think it is time for all of us who are reading this forum to respond to the lady that sent this email to us. Be respectful and professional. But most importantly, be adament.
You will not recommend Emirates to anyone you know because of:
Directly violating my contract with the DEWA cap.
A constant erosion of working conditions since ED got here:
Limit on days off.
5-6 days a year of on line training with no pay.
A continous threat of discipline from fleet for any minor infraction.
Changing the upgrade policy after hiring all the F/O's you need.
Manual insertion of terrible trips to "balance the flying".
Total lack of civility and humanity from fleet and the C/P's office.
ED telling us how much to pack for a trip, AS telling us that we are
responsible for the conduct of the cabin crew on a lay over
KG (former fleet mgr. boeing, now cabin crew vp) telling us who can visit
the cockpit and what they can do while they are there.
Temporary housing.
A constant erosion of financial benefits in the last 2 years:
Change of the overtime threshold.
Captains are working 10 hours a month more for an aditional total
of 600 dhs.
No Salary increase for 20 months with inflation running at 1% a month.
No increase in education allowance when school fees have gone up 12%
a year.
These are just a few of the reasons that I will never recommend anyone. Recruiting should know this. Hopefully I will not be the only to one to send this letter as it must be sent.
Regards,
330 man
You will not recommend Emirates to anyone you know because of:
Directly violating my contract with the DEWA cap.
A constant erosion of working conditions since ED got here:
Limit on days off.
5-6 days a year of on line training with no pay.
A continous threat of discipline from fleet for any minor infraction.
Changing the upgrade policy after hiring all the F/O's you need.
Manual insertion of terrible trips to "balance the flying".
Total lack of civility and humanity from fleet and the C/P's office.
ED telling us how much to pack for a trip, AS telling us that we are
responsible for the conduct of the cabin crew on a lay over
KG (former fleet mgr. boeing, now cabin crew vp) telling us who can visit
the cockpit and what they can do while they are there.
Temporary housing.
A constant erosion of financial benefits in the last 2 years:
Change of the overtime threshold.
Captains are working 10 hours a month more for an aditional total
of 600 dhs.
No Salary increase for 20 months with inflation running at 1% a month.
No increase in education allowance when school fees have gone up 12%
a year.
These are just a few of the reasons that I will never recommend anyone. Recruiting should know this. Hopefully I will not be the only to one to send this letter as it must be sent.
Regards,
330 man
Last edited by 330 Man; 10th Feb 2010 at 16:35.
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Nice post, 330 man
Perhaps also mention to her that fact that your conscience would not allow you to recommend the job to a friend knowing that he/she could get fired whilst under training for doing a go-around, as happened in Manchester.
SM
Perhaps also mention to her that fact that your conscience would not allow you to recommend the job to a friend knowing that he/she could get fired whilst under training for doing a go-around, as happened in Manchester.
SM
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Me neither ...
I have warned off a number pilots over past few months/years, some arrived anyway and now say 'I should have listened' … some did listen and never came ...
I will continue to caution pilots/crew from joining EK … exhausting working conditions aside – I detest the lies, deceitfulness and derogatory communications from my management!
I will continue to caution pilots/crew from joining EK … exhausting working conditions aside – I detest the lies, deceitfulness and derogatory communications from my management!
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330 man has it on the button.
330 man I can't agree more.
It is such a pity that such a great company has slowly been dug into the ground. I'm not greedy I just have had enough of my terms and conditions being wrongly destroyed.
For FOs coming here...it's a prospect if you are either single and don't need money to support a family or married and need to feed your children.
Or you need a big plane for your licence.
Think about it carefully though. I've been here long enough for it to be ok but that is just ok. As a new joiner I would be suffering.
There are a loy of very p&^*&ed off FOs out there and new joiners will be below them in the seniority list!
Figure that!
It is such a pity that such a great company has slowly been dug into the ground. I'm not greedy I just have had enough of my terms and conditions being wrongly destroyed.
For FOs coming here...it's a prospect if you are either single and don't need money to support a family or married and need to feed your children.
Or you need a big plane for your licence.
Think about it carefully though. I've been here long enough for it to be ok but that is just ok. As a new joiner I would be suffering.
There are a loy of very p&^*&ed off FOs out there and new joiners will be below them in the seniority list!
Figure that!
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Only come if you need a job, period. Yes new aircraft are coming but what they don't put on the website is aircraft retirements. Someone may have the exact numbers but I seem to remember TC saying @156 total by 2018 and we are at @ 120 now, like I said cant remember the exact number. Upgrades on the bus were moving well and then stopped, the 777 slots being back filled by AB transfers - very few upgrades.
But if you want to do 92 hr rosters and kill yourself doing so come on over.
But if you want to do 92 hr rosters and kill yourself doing so come on over.
And then there will be the spike in upgrade failures as the best of the bad come up for command. We're in one now at around 4 years after the last recruitment crisis started. Although new joiners won't upgrade that soon.
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I know this is gonna be really cheesy....But here goes anyway....
I'm furloughed from Netjets USA. Spent over 2 years there flying the Citation X. I also spent 6 years at Comair and another small regional. I have read the negatives here and understand where it all comes from. But I'm in that boat of desperately needing a job, and at the moment my app. has gone to numerous carriers. Both corporate, airline and foreign. So far no luck..
I'm close to 6500TT/ 5500Turbine and 4800jet..(not much PIC due to every place I go seems to tank shortly after
) I've got a degree, have a family, and consider myself a fairly level headed individual.
This morning I received an e-mail (more like an advertisement) about Emirates hiring FO's (and since I'm pretty much a career FO this works out well!). It was most likely a blast e-mailed from the list they have. But it was the first time I've received anything from them since I applied in September.
I decided to check out PPrune and saw this thread about recommendations. I've never done this before, but if their is anyone who is willing to walk to the edge of a cliff and blindly recommend me I can promise I would not disappoint or give anyone a bad name.
I'm not sure I can receive PM's or not..Please try if you are willing..or we can figure some other way to communicate.
I know living over there would be a challenge. But at this point the family and I are in agreement that putting food on the table etc. is the most important thing right now. All jobs are scarce right now, and unfortunately flying is not qualifying me for a whole lot of other opportunities.
If anyone can help I appreciate it. I know this is a msg. board so I fully expect to hear some comments about "why would I work here" etc. But if anyone at Emirates has felt the pain of furlough, or second furlough, you most likely know where I'm coming from.
A sincere thank you,
gomets
I'm furloughed from Netjets USA. Spent over 2 years there flying the Citation X. I also spent 6 years at Comair and another small regional. I have read the negatives here and understand where it all comes from. But I'm in that boat of desperately needing a job, and at the moment my app. has gone to numerous carriers. Both corporate, airline and foreign. So far no luck..
I'm close to 6500TT/ 5500Turbine and 4800jet..(not much PIC due to every place I go seems to tank shortly after
) I've got a degree, have a family, and consider myself a fairly level headed individual. This morning I received an e-mail (more like an advertisement) about Emirates hiring FO's (and since I'm pretty much a career FO this works out well!). It was most likely a blast e-mailed from the list they have. But it was the first time I've received anything from them since I applied in September.
I decided to check out PPrune and saw this thread about recommendations. I've never done this before, but if their is anyone who is willing to walk to the edge of a cliff and blindly recommend me I can promise I would not disappoint or give anyone a bad name.
I'm not sure I can receive PM's or not..Please try if you are willing..or we can figure some other way to communicate.
I know living over there would be a challenge. But at this point the family and I are in agreement that putting food on the table etc. is the most important thing right now. All jobs are scarce right now, and unfortunately flying is not qualifying me for a whole lot of other opportunities.
If anyone can help I appreciate it. I know this is a msg. board so I fully expect to hear some comments about "why would I work here" etc. But if anyone at Emirates has felt the pain of furlough, or second furlough, you most likely know where I'm coming from.
A sincere thank you,
gomets