Ek bend us over even more
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Maybe I'll just wear the same uniform shirt on a 4 sector trip like MEL/AKL - that'll be ripe
Even my small carrier does so.
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Contamination of OPS department
White Knight
Within the borders of a purely commercial activity and being a national pride, Emirates Airlines is a community of people that work together and depend on each other.
The agenda of the staff is different than that of EK management, it is nice to work for a company that generates a profit as far as job security is concerned but this is not a hurdle that will prevent people from leaving if they feel serious damage in their personal life. So the decision to leave or join EK is not limited to decisions made by its staff members only.
It is not a 8 AM to 4 PM job. If you are entitled to 12 days off each month then that implies that you are away for 18+ days with your colegues.
If you reduce everything down to money then you are not better than the greedy that brought down the financial system. Money is part of the social tissue so the damage inflicted stretches further than some numbers on a spreadsheet.
If a manager of an airline behaves in the same way as the yuppies on Wall Street he will to a certain extend cause serious damage to the airline itself.
Having said so, this has basically nothing to do with OPS management but with HR management. OPS management is only related with providing the crew with the nessesary tools to perform their task safely, efficient and as ecconomically as possible.
Hiring the right people is the task of HR and the training department.
Involving OPS managers, in what are purely HR issues is contamination of the OPS department. Selecting and charging OPS managers with this goal is asking for trouble.
It is obvious that there is a fight going on within EK that will affect the growth, potential and internal stability of the airline.
It occurs to me that the owner (s) of the airline are not aware of this; not because they do not know but because they are unable to see it.
Counting on the international press to expose your discontent is impossible, there is far too much money and high level politics involved.
If the citizens of the UK can be manipulated by their politicians into supporting an unjustified war in Irak then EK politics most certainly has the capability of window-dressing what is going on.
EK is the proud of Dubai and they will defend it at all cost and when needed with the help of some opputunistic expats. Most of these oppurtunits fled the UK, a country in tatters from what I sometimes read here on PPRUNE. The reputation of the Brits cannot and be ignored.
You do not get a top job in EK without the approval of Sheigh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Makthoum President of EK, boss of the Dubai CAA and Head of the Secret Police.
Let there be no misunderstanding, his brain is as sharp as a razerblade.
But if the Middle East in general wants to be succesful as a global player they will have to address certain issues. A good dictatorship can be more efficiënt than a bad democracy but in a multicultural society as Dubai the Ruler must look beyond the interest of the locals only.
I think they realize this but that they loose the momentum to be effective. No change is not a viable option, there is too much pressure from within and outside and they know and/or feel it. Getting rid of some British is a first step to recovery.
On a personal note Mr White Night and for the record Mr Fubaar, let me remind you on your outrageous attacks on Streamline, a man who had done nothing wrong and has paid a price many times higher than what is happening today. You can be proud of yourself. At least Streamline kept his integrity throughout.
Within the borders of a purely commercial activity and being a national pride, Emirates Airlines is a community of people that work together and depend on each other.
The agenda of the staff is different than that of EK management, it is nice to work for a company that generates a profit as far as job security is concerned but this is not a hurdle that will prevent people from leaving if they feel serious damage in their personal life. So the decision to leave or join EK is not limited to decisions made by its staff members only.
It is not a 8 AM to 4 PM job. If you are entitled to 12 days off each month then that implies that you are away for 18+ days with your colegues.
If you reduce everything down to money then you are not better than the greedy that brought down the financial system. Money is part of the social tissue so the damage inflicted stretches further than some numbers on a spreadsheet.
If a manager of an airline behaves in the same way as the yuppies on Wall Street he will to a certain extend cause serious damage to the airline itself.
Having said so, this has basically nothing to do with OPS management but with HR management. OPS management is only related with providing the crew with the nessesary tools to perform their task safely, efficient and as ecconomically as possible.
Hiring the right people is the task of HR and the training department.
Involving OPS managers, in what are purely HR issues is contamination of the OPS department. Selecting and charging OPS managers with this goal is asking for trouble.
It is obvious that there is a fight going on within EK that will affect the growth, potential and internal stability of the airline.
It occurs to me that the owner (s) of the airline are not aware of this; not because they do not know but because they are unable to see it.
Counting on the international press to expose your discontent is impossible, there is far too much money and high level politics involved.
If the citizens of the UK can be manipulated by their politicians into supporting an unjustified war in Irak then EK politics most certainly has the capability of window-dressing what is going on.
EK is the proud of Dubai and they will defend it at all cost and when needed with the help of some opputunistic expats. Most of these oppurtunits fled the UK, a country in tatters from what I sometimes read here on PPRUNE. The reputation of the Brits cannot and be ignored.
You do not get a top job in EK without the approval of Sheigh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Makthoum President of EK, boss of the Dubai CAA and Head of the Secret Police.
Let there be no misunderstanding, his brain is as sharp as a razerblade.
But if the Middle East in general wants to be succesful as a global player they will have to address certain issues. A good dictatorship can be more efficiënt than a bad democracy but in a multicultural society as Dubai the Ruler must look beyond the interest of the locals only.
I think they realize this but that they loose the momentum to be effective. No change is not a viable option, there is too much pressure from within and outside and they know and/or feel it. Getting rid of some British is a first step to recovery.
On a personal note Mr White Night and for the record Mr Fubaar, let me remind you on your outrageous attacks on Streamline, a man who had done nothing wrong and has paid a price many times higher than what is happening today. You can be proud of yourself. At least Streamline kept his integrity throughout.
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Take it that's you Carl. Come back to haunt us again. Must be over 10 years since you 'left' us by now.
Cap56, Streamline, EADS by AIDS or something and now Pitch Up Authority. Several other Carl handles too that I don't recall just now, care to remind us?
Cap56, Streamline, EADS by AIDS or something and now Pitch Up Authority. Several other Carl handles too that I don't recall just now, care to remind us?
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Come back to haunt us again.
Do the "us" have something to hide?
From your posts it looks like the aggressor has become a victim himself and in your case it gives me some pleasure to see you surrounded by an army of White Knights on a chessboard without rules.
Let me give you some advice: when you are sure about something the only thing you are sure about is that you are sure even if you are convinced you are 100% right. Believe me Mr White Knight you know nothing.
Patience is the master of the mind.
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Due H & S CX and BA have had individual bag weights of 23kg for all for some time
In the UK, I believe the individual limit is 32 kg, based on Health & Safety limits.
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Grow up guys
Gentlemen,
The fact is that no one piece of baggage can be over 50 pounds.
22Kg is just under that and BA's 23KG's 50.6 pounds. You can be allowed 30 40 or 50 KG's as a pax, but one bag can not weigh over 50 pounds.
I thought most of us here have some knowledge of international aviation rules but it seems Emirates has been hiring retards.
I know the management here sucks, but bitch about the right things.
We need to grow up here
Excuse me for being blunt.
The fact is that no one piece of baggage can be over 50 pounds.
22Kg is just under that and BA's 23KG's 50.6 pounds. You can be allowed 30 40 or 50 KG's as a pax, but one bag can not weigh over 50 pounds.
I thought most of us here have some knowledge of international aviation rules but it seems Emirates has been hiring retards.
I know the management here sucks, but bitch about the right things.
We need to grow up here
Excuse me for being blunt.
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PUA - I have absolutely no idea what you are on about
And your copy and paste thread from another topic has 'nowt to do with baggage weights!!!!
EKbemusd - 32kgs is the max single baggage weight which is somewhat over 50lbs.. Over 23kgs they put a HEAVY tag on it... What was that about retards
And your copy and paste thread from another topic has 'nowt to do with baggage weights!!!! EKbemusd - 32kgs is the max single baggage weight which is somewhat over 50lbs.. Over 23kgs they put a HEAVY tag on it... What was that about retards
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An extract from the IATA website:
Check a Bag
Regards
csd
An extract from the IATA website:
In order to avoid trouble at the airport terminal, make sure that your suitcase doesn't weigh more than 32 kilos (70lbs), or you will be asked to repack and transfer some of your belongings into another bag.
Please note that the maximum weight limit relates only to single items and does not affect the baggage allowance or excess baggage charges, which is set by individual airlines.
Please note that the maximum weight limit relates only to single items and does not affect the baggage allowance or excess baggage charges, which is set by individual airlines.
Regards
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This is probably nothing to do with ED..The idea is too original for him.
He recently did the interviews for FM-A and remember a certain FDM E was there. She has history of doing 'nice' things for the pilot group.
It was probably her bright idea at the interview....got her the job???
He recently did the interviews for FM-A and remember a certain FDM E was there. She has history of doing 'nice' things for the pilot group.
It was probably her bright idea at the interview....got her the job???
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Bag weights
...haven't bothered to check but a mate tells me that the bag chassis alone (empty) weighs 5kg! i.e. almost 25% of the new baggage allowance! Now do a BNE/AKL based on that....no room for the magic box!
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I have a vision of a Mr Bean moment.
Captain checking in for the trip, stumbling through the e-gate with two suitcases ('i'll show that t**t Ed'), navbag, spinneys carrier bag of laundry because the drop off was closed, glasses falling off and hat askew as the doors keep opening and closing and the synthesized voice saying 'try again'.
Meanwhile, in the DJ's stand, Fat Fatma from immigration continues to turn a blind eye, sharpeneing her multi tasking skills by texting and varnishing her nails a putrid purple to match the goth look of her lipstick.
And the day has only just started.
Welcome to Emirates............................and you are welcome to it!
Harry
Captain checking in for the trip, stumbling through the e-gate with two suitcases ('i'll show that t**t Ed'), navbag, spinneys carrier bag of laundry because the drop off was closed, glasses falling off and hat askew as the doors keep opening and closing and the synthesized voice saying 'try again'.
Meanwhile, in the DJ's stand, Fat Fatma from immigration continues to turn a blind eye, sharpeneing her multi tasking skills by texting and varnishing her nails a putrid purple to match the goth look of her lipstick.
And the day has only just started.
Welcome to Emirates............................and you are welcome to it!
Harry
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Change of 22 kg Baggage Weight Limit Policy
Colleagues –
In last week’s Weekly Update I indicated we were discussing a baggage weight limit to be applied to flight and cabin crew so as to limit our liability from various countries occupational health and safety regulation that holds an airline responsible for injuries received by individual baggage handling employees as a result of un-indentified heavy baggage.
I was gratified by the number and content of the responses – many with good suggestions. As a result, beginning March 1, we have decided on the below process that will be applied to Flight Crew bags handled in the EGHQ ops floor as well as at out-stations. An FCI modifying the current OM-A will be issued shortly:
EGHQ Ops Floors
· After receiving their baggage tag from the check-in kiosk, flight crew will proceed to the bag drop location
· At the bag-drop location, flight crew will find a scale available to weigh their bag before placing it onto the bag entry belt
· Additionally, there will be a supply of “HEAVY BAG” tags in a holder near the bag chute
· Should the bag weight exceed 22kgs, a “HEAVY BAG” tag must be affixed to the bag prior to dropping it onto the bag belt
· Bags noted by the baggage handling system’s weighing function to be above 22kgs and without a tag will be removed from the belt and returned to the EGHQ departure level. In that case it is possible the bag may not be delivered back to the aircraft in time for departure.
· Bags weighing above 32kgs cannot be transported on the aircraft even if tagged.
Out Stations
· Pilots should carry a supply of “HEAVY BAG” tags with them to apply to their baggage in case they suspect their bag may exceed the 22kg tag requirement limit.
· Not all out-stations weigh crew baggage. If the bag required a tag outbound from Dubai it is reasonable to assume it requires one inbound. Pilots need to monitor and self-enforce the quantity and weight of items they bring back from trips abroad so as not to exceed these weight limits.
· Bags over 32kgs risk not being transported.
Flight Ops will conduct random audits of flight crew baggage weights at regular intervals to ensure that compliance with this policy is being met.
Obviously, this is a superior result compared to the original 22kg absolute limit that was originally proposed and its continuation depends on the support and assistance of our pilot group. Thanks for the input and your support of this initiative.
Regards,
Ed
In last week’s Weekly Update I indicated we were discussing a baggage weight limit to be applied to flight and cabin crew so as to limit our liability from various countries occupational health and safety regulation that holds an airline responsible for injuries received by individual baggage handling employees as a result of un-indentified heavy baggage.
I was gratified by the number and content of the responses – many with good suggestions. As a result, beginning March 1, we have decided on the below process that will be applied to Flight Crew bags handled in the EGHQ ops floor as well as at out-stations. An FCI modifying the current OM-A will be issued shortly:
EGHQ Ops Floors
· After receiving their baggage tag from the check-in kiosk, flight crew will proceed to the bag drop location
· At the bag-drop location, flight crew will find a scale available to weigh their bag before placing it onto the bag entry belt
· Additionally, there will be a supply of “HEAVY BAG” tags in a holder near the bag chute
· Should the bag weight exceed 22kgs, a “HEAVY BAG” tag must be affixed to the bag prior to dropping it onto the bag belt
· Bags noted by the baggage handling system’s weighing function to be above 22kgs and without a tag will be removed from the belt and returned to the EGHQ departure level. In that case it is possible the bag may not be delivered back to the aircraft in time for departure.
· Bags weighing above 32kgs cannot be transported on the aircraft even if tagged.
Out Stations
· Pilots should carry a supply of “HEAVY BAG” tags with them to apply to their baggage in case they suspect their bag may exceed the 22kg tag requirement limit.
· Not all out-stations weigh crew baggage. If the bag required a tag outbound from Dubai it is reasonable to assume it requires one inbound. Pilots need to monitor and self-enforce the quantity and weight of items they bring back from trips abroad so as not to exceed these weight limits.
· Bags over 32kgs risk not being transported.
Flight Ops will conduct random audits of flight crew baggage weights at regular intervals to ensure that compliance with this policy is being met.
Obviously, this is a superior result compared to the original 22kg absolute limit that was originally proposed and its continuation depends on the support and assistance of our pilot group. Thanks for the input and your support of this initiative.
Regards,
Ed
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Looks like another badly thought out and badly applied idea they have had to back track on. Couldn't they have thought of using "heavy" tags in the first place? It has worked on passenger bags for years.
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Total backtrack!
Could have been handled better. Just ask crews to affix heavy tags and no feathers ruffled.
Now we should feel lucky for being given the privilidge to check 22+kg bags.
T
Could have been handled better. Just ask crews to affix heavy tags and no feathers ruffled.
Now we should feel lucky for being given the privilidge to check 22+kg bags.
T
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Slightly feel that we being fed a "Kipper" about how great this result is for us all when the man Hos is the bloke who came up with this pottiness.
Having got a stack of emails from slightly miffed drivers did he go and debate this silliness with himself?
It's all then presented as he is doing us a big favour to allow us to carry what we were carrying before, but this time with a tag?
Is it me or?
Having got a stack of emails from slightly miffed drivers did he go and debate this silliness with himself?
It's all then presented as he is doing us a big favour to allow us to carry what we were carrying before, but this time with a tag?
Is it me or
?