The dumbing down of our profession
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Dear all
i read with great interest this thread and i have some good questions for you!
Many of you are what i use to call butcher pilots..yes butcher...you measure the knowledge and thickness of your colleagues according to their flight time.How many hours have you got 6000?Yes you are the man!what 1500?Damn i will have to be very careful.No matter if 6000 hours have been flown on a c152 or as crop duster..or on a turboprop...total is important.
I have flown and unfortunately sometimes i am still flying with people who have thousands of hours and don't even know how to fly a vor approach or how to start it when there's more than 30 deg of diff btwn your track and the outbound track
or even hoew to calculate how many miles per minute is the aircr.flying
i am flying with people that blame the Comp.flight plan because of the wrong calculation of fuel planning when they have just flown 10-15 nm on a levelled flight
on initial appr config.
In Europe there were many airlines having flight academies.In those places with 250hrs between single eng piston and twin turboprop you was then put on a 320,737,or md80.o fcourse with experienced Captains.Many of these dangerous guys(according to your opinion)are now Captains!
I know many people like you!The worst are the one who became Captain on small turboprops in their countries(10 pax maybe)who pretend to jump on jet as pic(emirates will never allow you to do that!Ask yourselves why).The important thing is your training background not how many hours you have.I know that in some part of the world the greater is the amount of flying hours the better is the pilotunfortunately your buddies with their thousands of hours were not so good here.
So please hoggtart or whatever tell me where you come from and i will see if i guessed correctely about your nationality and discrimination.
And remember that a good pilot can fly with everyone not only with the best and more experienced
i read with great interest this thread and i have some good questions for you!
Many of you are what i use to call butcher pilots..yes butcher...you measure the knowledge and thickness of your colleagues according to their flight time.How many hours have you got 6000?Yes you are the man!what 1500?Damn i will have to be very careful.No matter if 6000 hours have been flown on a c152 or as crop duster..or on a turboprop...total is important.
I have flown and unfortunately sometimes i am still flying with people who have thousands of hours and don't even know how to fly a vor approach or how to start it when there's more than 30 deg of diff btwn your track and the outbound track
or even hoew to calculate how many miles per minute is the aircr.flyingi am flying with people that blame the Comp.flight plan because of the wrong calculation of fuel planning when they have just flown 10-15 nm on a levelled flight
on initial appr config.In Europe there were many airlines having flight academies.In those places with 250hrs between single eng piston and twin turboprop you was then put on a 320,737,or md80.o fcourse with experienced Captains.Many of these dangerous guys(according to your opinion)are now Captains!
I know many people like you!The worst are the one who became Captain on small turboprops in their countries(10 pax maybe)who pretend to jump on jet as pic(emirates will never allow you to do that!Ask yourselves why).The important thing is your training background not how many hours you have.I know that in some part of the world the greater is the amount of flying hours the better is the pilot
unfortunately your buddies with their thousands of hours were not so good here.So please hoggtart or whatever tell me where you come from and i will see if i guessed correctely about your nationality and discrimination.
And remember that a good pilot can fly with everyone not only with the best and more experienced
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I am sorry you have had a bad experience with the medical profession, from your comments it sounds like it was serious. Coming from a long line of Medical professionals I am sorry for you. Doctors/Nurses are the most compassionate people on earth, they work long hours for not a lot of pay, unless they are very senior. If planes stopped flying today the world would keep turning but I can assure you there will always be a need for the caring profession with the high standards and experience that they give to the world. I don't see pilots in Haiti me thinks Drs, Nurses and people with a skill.
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If you wish to know I am from Europe. I have flown single crew transatlantic with pistons both twin's and single's, I have flown Turbo Props (3 types) and Jets (3 types) I have over 8000 hours and have flown every corner of the planet, be it single crew and Multicrew. I am 16 years into this industry and have lived in countries all over the world.
I suggest you re-read my string as I have not descriminated I merely made an observation. With my experience I feel well qualified to make my observation, without the need to get excited and make an emotional response.
I suggest you re-read my string as I have not descriminated I merely made an observation. With my experience I feel well qualified to make my observation, without the need to get excited and make an emotional response.
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One needs only to look at the PPRUNE tech Forum to find out that there is something wrong with the pilot licensing system.
But make no mistake there are some very good people on the market.
Flying can be a passion for everyone. Being a doctor or a lawyer implies that you are confronted with misery every day, I prefer to fly long haul planes and am still after 25 years enjoying the job.
Just ook at the navigation technology that we have at our disposal. If you really want to understand how it works there is a sea of information available.
There really is much more than just a few FCOM's that make up our profession.
If you became a pilot for the status then you are in the wrong place.
But make no mistake there are some very good people on the market.
Flying can be a passion for everyone. Being a doctor or a lawyer implies that you are confronted with misery every day, I prefer to fly long haul planes and am still after 25 years enjoying the job.
Just ook at the navigation technology that we have at our disposal. If you really want to understand how it works there is a sea of information available.
There really is much more than just a few FCOM's that make up our profession.
If you became a pilot for the status then you are in the wrong place.
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Pilots are people too
I am also coming from a long line of people working in the medical field, but my question to you is this one: Have you ever wonder who are able to bring the nice doctors, nurses, injured patients in need of surgery, medications, and food, water etc. to any destination from North Poles to South Poles? I will answer that one for you, the nice and efficient pilots of this world! Many thanks to all of them, in their own way, they save more lives than you are able to imagine! So maybe if the world would not have pilots it would still go round, but doctors would only be able to save the lives where they stand.
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The worst are the one who became Captain on small turboprops in their countries(10 pax maybe)who pretend to jump on jet as pic(emirates will never allow you to do that!Ask yourselves why).
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Jeez guys get a grip, who cares about how many people doctors kill or save or what pilots can do, really does it matter. Don't worry about what respect/wages others get, worry about what you are not getting if you must, but build a bridge and get over it, you are in dire danger of taking yourself too seriously
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I heard about a guy that, 30's ago, was made captain of a 747 when he was 25 years old.
I spoke with some old captains and they told me that it was quite normal.
What is the difference 30 years ago and nowadays? Maybe your perception of things.....
I spoke with some old captains and they told me that it was quite normal.
What is the difference 30 years ago and nowadays? Maybe your perception of things.....
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The size is precisely why they look similar The greater the bypass ratio (and the fan) the more efficient is the engine at low speed (tkof) precisely because the fan behaves like a prop (big volume, low speed).
If you don't get arrested at the metal detector you might have an opportunity to see how small is the rear part of your engine compared to the front one...
Now to slow down you'd probably need a gearbox, which is precisely why I choose to put an image of the new P&W1000G
The greater the bypass ratio (and the fan) the more efficient is the engine at low speed (tkof) precisely because the fan behaves like a prop (big volume, low speed). If you don't get arrested at the metal detector you might have an opportunity to see how small is the rear part of your engine compared to the front one...
Now to slow down you'd probably need a gearbox, which is precisely why I choose to put an image of the new P&W1000G
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I.Q
So the average I.Q of a pilot used to be 130, any idea what it is now I wonder? I'm guessing the military guys still have super high selection standards and I would guess alot of the legacy carriers such as BA, AF,LH do also. People who already hold tehcnical and science degrees often apply to these companies' cadetship schemes...
A recent post however had a link to some video footage of an interview with some crew in EY ...the average there was well, well, WELL below 130, maybe knock the zero off and it'd be about right.
Hustle On
A recent post however had a link to some video footage of an interview with some crew in EY ...the average there was well, well, WELL below 130, maybe knock the zero off and it'd be about right.
Hustle On
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When my pervious company was applying for a work visa in the US I notes that Pilot's and Engineers are classed as labors.
Howerver if you are a actor you are classed as a professional making the visa process easier.
Howerver if you are a actor you are classed as a professional making the visa process easier.
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My compliments to S.F.L.Y a pilot with a 'brain cell' great illustration! A picture says a thousand words.
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Wow so nice to see some smarts out there. You are so right a turbo prop is a jet ya ya ya. I have been in TP's for over 20 twenty years. And flying a bigger plane is easier no????? My god try to fly a Beechcraft 1900 with heavy cross winds from HTFD to Montreal (with stop over of course).
It is so refreshing to see some of our mates still have much gray matter up top.......................
It is so refreshing to see some of our mates still have much gray matter up top.......................
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Thanks Nightfire, you hit the nail on the head and you have totally got the point of the string, its sad but a fact of life in today's aviation.....it does not make it correct...........