EK(Emirates) whats the point joining?
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And Oh, I forgot to tell you I have spent many hours in the cockpit with copilots who seem to think they have a God given right to the left seat, and that it is not something they would have to qualify for.
Often they think captaincy is about how you fly and handle an aircraft.
That only shows me they are in the right seat. Literally.
Often they think captaincy is about how you fly and handle an aircraft.
That only shows me they are in the right seat. Literally.
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I'll try again:
Is the accelerated captain program still in place for those who are captains when they apply?
Is the accelerated captain program still in place for those who are captains when they apply?
No! Mate, if you join EK now you will wait at least 6- 7 years for a command if you are lucky. Irrespective of your previous experience ....
And by the way 737 experience does not impress many in EK. If you join EK do us "left seaters" a favour and don't complain about not getting your command. You have been warned. Thanks
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So far I have 2 yes, 2 no and one "in theory" about the program.
I'm not trying to impress anybody, I got a question and I answered it.
If you lot are representative of most EK drivers, the EK cockpit must be a really fun place to be...
I'm not trying to impress anybody, I got a question and I answered it.
If you lot are representative of most EK drivers, the EK cockpit must be a really fun place to be...
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No, but my todger is huge! Does it help?
Some say yes, some say no, and they all do it in the same cheerful way, so who to believe?
You guys are a sad, sad bunch! Can't stay and can't leave. All you have left is to blow steam on PPRUNE.
So, why do you stay? Got too many apartments to pay for? Can't find something better?
It must be something keeping you in the sandpit. Please, do tell us what it is!
Some say yes, some say no, and they all do it in the same cheerful way, so who to believe?
You guys are a sad, sad bunch! Can't stay and can't leave. All you have left is to blow steam on PPRUNE.
So, why do you stay? Got too many apartments to pay for? Can't find something better?
It must be something keeping you in the sandpit. Please, do tell us what it is!
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Hey there "Man's Aid"...
With a name like that, you'll fit in well here. I guarantee you will be "accelerated". Depending on your orientation, you might even enjoy it.
You're post about this forum being "dominated by those who don't". Read your own words, that very post is full of things you "don't" do. And with your tone/stance, why do you even ask these questions? And the comment about the Embassy on speed dial, that's ridiculous.
Like "Macrohard" said.....Come on in!! The water's fine!!!
Have a few smarts will ya?...Read between the lines.
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With a name like that, you'll fit in well here. I guarantee you will be "accelerated". Depending on your orientation, you might even enjoy it.
You're post about this forum being "dominated by those who don't". Read your own words, that very post is full of things you "don't" do. And with your tone/stance, why do you even ask these questions? And the comment about the Embassy on speed dial, that's ridiculous.
Like "Macrohard" said.....Come on in!! The water's fine!!!
Have a few smarts will ya?...Read between the lines.
Jinglie'd
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Accelerated commands are and always will be an option for the company as well as DEC's . If you think that EK wont use that option , even when there is plenty of FO's waiting, you are mistaken.
To the FO's who think the right seat is there right , so be it, just look at the pass rate of late , you too can be one. There is going to be a lot of permanent fo's real soon.
With recruiting having problems and upgrade failures, where do you think the Captains Ill come from? Accel and DEC.
EK is in the same place they were 3 years ago, the only good thing is they might toss in some cash .
To the FO's who think the right seat is there right , so be it, just look at the pass rate of late , you too can be one. There is going to be a lot of permanent fo's real soon.
With recruiting having problems and upgrade failures, where do you think the Captains Ill come from? Accel and DEC.
EK is in the same place they were 3 years ago, the only good thing is they might toss in some cash .
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Well Mada, the sad thing is, I was actually going to give you a sensible answer to your questions......
However, looking at the tone and attitude of your posts, it appears you are a rather unpleasant little man with a large chip on your shoulder, so I won't!
What I will do instead, is pass your experience profile to 'a mate' in recruitment so we can keep a good look out for you
Good luck!
However, looking at the tone and attitude of your posts, it appears you are a rather unpleasant little man with a large chip on your shoulder, so I won't!
What I will do instead, is pass your experience profile to 'a mate' in recruitment so we can keep a good look out for you
Good luck!
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Hey Manada...
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You must be smoking something or your are totaly an Id..t. I can't find any other explanation base on what you wrote..
Just another "litle man" at EK.. Oh well...Lately the level of stupidity and the BS is going to brake another world record..
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You must be smoking something or your are totaly an Id..t. I can't find any other explanation base on what you wrote..
Just another "litle man" at EK.. Oh well...Lately the level of stupidity and the BS is going to brake another world record..
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Well Mada, the sad thing is, I was actually going to give you a sensible answer to your questions......
However, looking at the tone and attitude of your posts, it appears you are a rather unpleasant little man with a large chip on your shoulder, so I won't!
What I will do instead, is pass your experience profile to 'a mate' in recruitment so we can keep a good look out for you
However, looking at the tone and attitude of your posts, it appears you are a rather unpleasant little man with a large chip on your shoulder, so I won't!
What I will do instead, is pass your experience profile to 'a mate' in recruitment so we can keep a good look out for you
I've had to wade into the gutter to stay level with these "professional" EK pilots. Just about the only one who had anything resembling an adult answer was you. And you want to use my answer against me???
Do be careful though. When you throw the net out, you may just catch someone who is not me.
The thing is, I've seen it all before. "Don't come here, you've been warned". Have a look at treads about Qatar, Etihad, Gulf Air. Going back a few years the same stuff came from expats in Singapore. I do believe you find quite a few of them in the Middle East now. Some of the SIA expats actually threatened those who asked for information with physical violence if they came.
Why? There is a thought that if enough pilots turn down the jobs, T & C will improve. The company will change. The sun will be brighter. I will get my command faster. Whatever.
I have yet to get a serious answer to my questions, and I still wonder why, when you hate the company, hate the country, hate the culture, hate the job, hate the other guy who is occupying "your" seat, why do you stay?
I don't have a chip on my shoulder, but I'm getting one as we speak.
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Mana,
This thread seems to have turned away from the original intent, and has focused on your one question about accelerated command, and apparent question of your attitude... In an effort to get back on track and simply answer your question...
The answer is NO... there is currently nothing in place for "Accelerated Command".
Personally, I was given the big hand shake and pat on the back along with assurances I'd have a command within 12 months of being here from the recruiting folks... based upon my experience, etc. Yes, I had 11 years of command, 10,000 plus hours, and 5,000 command hours all on heavy jets before coming here...
Currently there is a REQUIREMENT for 3000 hours in type... before you are eligible to upgrade.... for me with no Boeing experience... I basically went from "only 12 months mate..." to "Sorry mate, we don't do that anymore"... and that's where we stand now...
I've talked twice now with senior mgt. about this requirement... and there is no budging on this condition... 3000 hours time in type.... trust me, if that requirement were to change, there would be a group of folks here at EK who, with tons of command experience on 74's, MD's, etc would be jumping at that position before you got your mitts on it. (But I don't expect that policy to change anytime soon)
As for coming here and doing your "penance" while awaiting a command... hey, Good Luck... it's all in the attitude you bring, and how big of a bitter pill you are willing to swallow.
This place is not Nirvana... nor is it some cr@p hole cargo carrier from deep in the Congo... But what I would surmise is that it is being "sold" as something that it once was... NOT what it has currently become... and that is , just another carrier trying to squeeze every nickel it can get away with out of the employee and run with that ball as long as they can get away with it.
There are plenty of really decent folks here... and we all pine over the good old days... and what aviation once was... now unfortunately, I don't care where you go... it's all turning to hell.... same old corporate shenanigans, etc.
If I could characterize EK to you in one way, I would describe it as a "Venus Fly Trap"... Lot's of pretty airplanes.... the smell of an early command... and then once you go to taste the fruit (flower)... well,... by that time, they have you by the "short hairs", and you just wait and get digested.
It's just like every other place... don't come here with any exceptional expectations.. the mill will wear you down until you either get fed up and leave, or you turn into a zombie and continue to live the "digested" lifestyle...
Enough "ruminating" from me... back to my hole in the ground...
NF
This thread seems to have turned away from the original intent, and has focused on your one question about accelerated command, and apparent question of your attitude... In an effort to get back on track and simply answer your question...
The answer is NO... there is currently nothing in place for "Accelerated Command".
Personally, I was given the big hand shake and pat on the back along with assurances I'd have a command within 12 months of being here from the recruiting folks... based upon my experience, etc. Yes, I had 11 years of command, 10,000 plus hours, and 5,000 command hours all on heavy jets before coming here...
Currently there is a REQUIREMENT for 3000 hours in type... before you are eligible to upgrade.... for me with no Boeing experience... I basically went from "only 12 months mate..." to "Sorry mate, we don't do that anymore"... and that's where we stand now...
I've talked twice now with senior mgt. about this requirement... and there is no budging on this condition... 3000 hours time in type.... trust me, if that requirement were to change, there would be a group of folks here at EK who, with tons of command experience on 74's, MD's, etc would be jumping at that position before you got your mitts on it. (But I don't expect that policy to change anytime soon)
As for coming here and doing your "penance" while awaiting a command... hey, Good Luck... it's all in the attitude you bring, and how big of a bitter pill you are willing to swallow.
This place is not Nirvana... nor is it some cr@p hole cargo carrier from deep in the Congo... But what I would surmise is that it is being "sold" as something that it once was... NOT what it has currently become... and that is , just another carrier trying to squeeze every nickel it can get away with out of the employee and run with that ball as long as they can get away with it.
There are plenty of really decent folks here... and we all pine over the good old days... and what aviation once was... now unfortunately, I don't care where you go... it's all turning to hell.... same old corporate shenanigans, etc.
If I could characterize EK to you in one way, I would describe it as a "Venus Fly Trap"... Lot's of pretty airplanes.... the smell of an early command... and then once you go to taste the fruit (flower)... well,... by that time, they have you by the "short hairs", and you just wait and get digested.
It's just like every other place... don't come here with any exceptional expectations.. the mill will wear you down until you either get fed up and leave, or you turn into a zombie and continue to live the "digested" lifestyle...
Enough "ruminating" from me... back to my hole in the ground...
NF
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Thank you NautiFlyer!
I could not find anything in the career section, hence my question. I'm quite comfortable where I am, but the contract is not open ended, so I'm searching for other options.
I could not find anything in the career section, hence my question. I'm quite comfortable where I am, but the contract is not open ended, so I'm searching for other options.
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Hey Manamana
If you really are soooo experienced about this region and its carriers, you should know about some very sensitive topics.
Accelerated and bypassed promotion is such a topic.
Your still raising this question raises the issue of you either beeing a imposter having not the slightest clue but doing a Di Caprio on it, or you really are some ex-insider desperately wanting to come back, but not having learned a bit of additional CRM during your sabbatical.
Both are unwelcome.
If you really are soooo experienced about this region and its carriers, you should know about some very sensitive topics.
Accelerated and bypassed promotion is such a topic.
Your still raising this question raises the issue of you either beeing a imposter having not the slightest clue but doing a Di Caprio on it, or you really are some ex-insider desperately wanting to come back, but not having learned a bit of additional CRM during your sabbatical.
Both are unwelcome.
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I'm not responsible for the way EK is run and I'm not responsible for broken promises or right seaters getting stuck because they are on the "wrong" fleet.
Go bully somebody else. Preferably somebody who can do something about your situation.
Go bully somebody else. Preferably somebody who can do something about your situation.
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Do you really expect an answer to that question, what with oblaaspop hanging around?
It matters none, I know the place sufficiently to know I can live there. Not everybody can, despite warm weather, a maid, a nice club and fancy cars.
It matters none, I know the place sufficiently to know I can live there. Not everybody can, despite warm weather, a maid, a nice club and fancy cars.
Mana,
Further to the hours requirement for command here the FOM still states that accelerated commands will only be offered when there are no other eligible FOs available. So regardless of what recruiting has told some joiners, all FOs are on the same list, arranged by date of joining. Only when there is no-one above you who meets the criteria will you be given the nod. I think there are some 1100 FOs on the list at the moment, take away a few hundred for cadets, and taking it that most guys at the top of the list are of 4yrs or more in the company, I would suggest not planning on the accelerated seat change.
I think new joining FOs now are looking at 7 to 11yrs for an upgrade (depends on which office dweller you speak to).
Good luck,
The Don
Further to the hours requirement for command here the FOM still states that accelerated commands will only be offered when there are no other eligible FOs available. So regardless of what recruiting has told some joiners, all FOs are on the same list, arranged by date of joining. Only when there is no-one above you who meets the criteria will you be given the nod. I think there are some 1100 FOs on the list at the moment, take away a few hundred for cadets, and taking it that most guys at the top of the list are of 4yrs or more in the company, I would suggest not planning on the accelerated seat change.
I think new joining FOs now are looking at 7 to 11yrs for an upgrade (depends on which office dweller you speak to).
Good luck,
The Don
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MAS, Nautiflyer has pretty much summed it up on accelerated commands. At one point it was happening and many came here with that promise or expectation. Not happening now, as far as most know. With the age of retirement at 65 with many carriers around the world, doubtful EK will see ANY DEC's with the requirecd time in type or desire to come here.....so goes with accelerated commands. You are starting to see cracks in the hiring around the world. IMHO, EK had better get its collective "shisha" together or the exodus will be beyond their capabilities. Again, IMHO, four years ago this was one of the better jobs, today-just another low cost carrier (as far as flight ops is concerned).
