EK(Emirates) whats the point joining?
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some aren't obviously familiar with these basic tools
And please don't go ruining the thread with technical facts. (They ARE facts aren't they? Or did you draw that yourself?)
I'll have to check out the system after I walk through it tonight. Probably get arrested "for looking."
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Mensa. Great post. I 100% agree with you and by the look of it having been here probably the same amount of time as you I can see why. Knowing what I know now I would never have come even though I got the Command and ticked all the right boxes. The funny thing it isn't about the money it is everything else. i.e No leave. Night turnarounds before simulator, minimum days off with excessive flight hours, no leave and I could go on. I just know that friends of mine in Thomas Cook get treated better than we do these days and actually earn more money. If they help the company out they get rewarded properly. Asa result most guys are happy. Something our management could learn from.
Personally if I was desperate I wouldnt come here again. Choose Etihad or possibly Fly Dubai for the time being because one thing is certain if you come here you will be disappointed. It just takes a few years to reach that point.
Personally if I was desperate I wouldnt come here again. Choose Etihad or possibly Fly Dubai for the time being because one thing is certain if you come here you will be disappointed. It just takes a few years to reach that point.
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There was a time that pilots couldnt wait to join EK. They would lose many a night's sleep just dreaming of being an EK pilot and the dream of living in Dubai and the sunshine etc etc,,,
Today each and everyone is warning those EK wannabes.
Which leads me to think of 2 things..
1. Either we are tremendously greedy and ungrateful to what we have
2. That the company has changed drastically.
i Personally would take all these stories witha pinch of salt, cause we humans are known to add a bit of our own spices to a story to make it sound so interesting to the listening ear.
Although i have heard a lot of stories, i cant write it down here cause i dont have the first hand experience, nor the back up nor the proof...
Peace
Today each and everyone is warning those EK wannabes.
Which leads me to think of 2 things..
1. Either we are tremendously greedy and ungrateful to what we have
2. That the company has changed drastically.
i Personally would take all these stories witha pinch of salt, cause we humans are known to add a bit of our own spices to a story to make it sound so interesting to the listening ear.
Although i have heard a lot of stories, i cant write it down here cause i dont have the first hand experience, nor the back up nor the proof...
Peace
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From Ed's mouth on my last training day: the 92 hours threshold will not come down. Never. The bidding system is now set to assign every pilot with absolute max number of hours, in other words, if you don't have any leave, simulator, OD, etc, you will fly up to the limit. Crazy roster practices like coming from Houston and flying to Manilla 48 hours later will continue since, according to him, this is now legal. When asked about FATIGUE, all he said is that they are not getting enough ASRs to justify any changes on the above policy. So if you're planning to come here, just be prepared to be in USA, far east and UK in a time frame of 10 days, and don't expect to spend much time with your family.
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Simple question for those of us still here. Do you think the airline (EK) is moving/heading in the right direction? You can answer it with respect to commercially or how it treats its employees.
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EK is moving in the wrong direction with respect to its greatest asset. The people. Month on month, so many people are resigning even in these challenging times. The food on board is lousy, the CC's demotivated. Poor management of people the norm. Too many VP's and above who add no value. I hope EK wakes up before it is too late. Somehow, I doubt it.
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we came by choice, we stay since we have no better choice and they know it
-After my interview, was driving home, I check my messages : Hi there, it s EK, can you start tomorrow ? I was not even home, lost of situation awarness. Bad sign
-First joining day, reach my new appartment in Dubai at 2:30 AM, was in class at 7:30 same day
-they make money, but, it s aint enough, we cut your contractual 3 % pay raise, and you know what ? All the pay raise we gave you the year of the largest Ek bonus, well, now, you will work for it. 17 % increase in working hours.
-Your wife was making a little salaty back home, you will need a maid to pick up the dust, and your wife won t have a job no more probably. Do you make more money ? 5 years for upgrade, well, it s still quit fast, but will you survive that long here ?
- Car crash, you are fair skin, it help a lot, you are a local, you are a winner, you just have to go to find the police station of the area where you crash and have them process your case while they are watching fool ball
- IF YOU HAVE A THICK SKIN, JUMP ON THE OFFER, YOU WILL NEED IT
-First joining day, reach my new appartment in Dubai at 2:30 AM, was in class at 7:30 same day
-they make money, but, it s aint enough, we cut your contractual 3 % pay raise, and you know what ? All the pay raise we gave you the year of the largest Ek bonus, well, now, you will work for it. 17 % increase in working hours.
-Your wife was making a little salaty back home, you will need a maid to pick up the dust, and your wife won t have a job no more probably. Do you make more money ? 5 years for upgrade, well, it s still quit fast, but will you survive that long here ?
- Car crash, you are fair skin, it help a lot, you are a local, you are a winner, you just have to go to find the police station of the area where you crash and have them process your case while they are watching fool ball
- IF YOU HAVE A THICK SKIN, JUMP ON THE OFFER, YOU WILL NEED IT
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Excellent post Mensa! That about sums it up.
One question, do you guys think not having a flying manager is part of the problem? In that all Flt Operations VP's and higher are non flying so in reality they are not in touch with the front line happenings.
You mention fatigue, flying with low experience F/O's, bad hotels etc.. if we had our senior managers experiencing these issues in real time maybe something would change.
This is only put on the table for discussion as I appreciate that the chances of it happening are as rare as an accident free day on Shaik Zayed Road.
One question, do you guys think not having a flying manager is part of the problem? In that all Flt Operations VP's and higher are non flying so in reality they are not in touch with the front line happenings.
You mention fatigue, flying with low experience F/O's, bad hotels etc.. if we had our senior managers experiencing these issues in real time maybe something would change.
This is only put on the table for discussion as I appreciate that the chances of it happening are as rare as an accident free day on Shaik Zayed Road.
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In that all Flt Operations VP's and higher are non flying so in reality they are not in touch with the front line happenings.
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the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
Hey Wizza Fuzz have you got to the bottom of story number 1 yet
If you are indeed a pilot here at EK, there are enough hints to be had in the posts to lead you directly to the source.
You have a company phone book don't ya, oh forgot the're too tight to print them any more. There is a PDF version on the portal to help you out.
When your done please tell us all what you found out.
So outrageous it couldn't be true...........
If you are indeed a pilot here at EK, there are enough hints to be had in the posts to lead you directly to the source.
You have a company phone book don't ya, oh forgot the're too tight to print them any more. There is a PDF version on the portal to help you out.
When your done please tell us all what you found out.
So outrageous it couldn't be true...........
allura,
I don't know what you're smoking, but if it is making you think that there is anything in your first post other than incoherent ramblings, I want some!
YOU'RE the one telling th story. If you have first hand knowledge of the incident, go ahead and give us all a clue.
IMHO the fact that you won't is indicative of it being a plie of B.S.
Put up or shut up.
I don't know what you're smoking, but if it is making you think that there is anything in your first post other than incoherent ramblings, I want some!
YOU'RE the one telling th story. If you have first hand knowledge of the incident, go ahead and give us all a clue.
IMHO the fact that you won't is indicative of it being a plie of B.S.
Put up or shut up.
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I guess Ill have to all but spell this out Wooza fuzz. Take the words from the second post, (highlight right click copy) . Open the company PDF phone book paste the words as a search. When the answer is revealed give him a call I'm sure hell love to regale you with the FACTs of his incident. Actually the spelling may not be quite right but you should have got the hint by now.
Then Ill be waiting for you to tell us ALL here on PPRUNE what you found, before you dig a bigger hole for yourself.
Oh and if you haven't got access to a company phone list, well well what then...
Then Ill be waiting for you to tell us ALL here on PPRUNE what you found, before you dig a bigger hole for yourself.
Oh and if you haven't got access to a company phone list, well well what then...
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Now back to the thread....
Potential new joiners at Emirates...
Due to the current "crisis" and "industry downturn" and "surplus of qualified applicants" that EK management reminds all of their pilots about on a weekly basis, be prepared to join an airline that will quickly cease to resemble the one presented to you during your recruitment.
IF you value seniority, i.e. rostering based on seniority, upgrade based on seniority, fleet transfer based on seniority, vacation allocation based on seniority, and anything else where time spent working for the company matters, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE.
That being said, if you are truly desperate, maybe this is the place for you. You'll get a steady paycheck, decent benefits, housing, and you will get a chance to experience first hand how little a contract means in this part of the world. Oh, yes you're expected to adhere to your end of the deal, but the airline... not so much...
Keep lining up to join, and it will only reinforce EK Management's idea that they can continue to treat their employee group like unskilled workers, and suffer no consequence to the airline's continued operation. Only an inability to recruit qualified applicants will put a stop to this downward spiral.
The recession is more than half-way over. Think about that before signing a three-year contract with an outfit that will treat you like a third-class citizen the minute they've got you committed to being here.
There's enough info on other threads to corroborate this, you need only open your eyes.
Down in it,
SHR
Due to the current "crisis" and "industry downturn" and "surplus of qualified applicants" that EK management reminds all of their pilots about on a weekly basis, be prepared to join an airline that will quickly cease to resemble the one presented to you during your recruitment.
IF you value seniority, i.e. rostering based on seniority, upgrade based on seniority, fleet transfer based on seniority, vacation allocation based on seniority, and anything else where time spent working for the company matters, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE.
That being said, if you are truly desperate, maybe this is the place for you. You'll get a steady paycheck, decent benefits, housing, and you will get a chance to experience first hand how little a contract means in this part of the world. Oh, yes you're expected to adhere to your end of the deal, but the airline... not so much...
Keep lining up to join, and it will only reinforce EK Management's idea that they can continue to treat their employee group like unskilled workers, and suffer no consequence to the airline's continued operation. Only an inability to recruit qualified applicants will put a stop to this downward spiral.
The recession is more than half-way over. Think about that before signing a three-year contract with an outfit that will treat you like a third-class citizen the minute they've got you committed to being here.
There's enough info on other threads to corroborate this, you need only open your eyes.
Down in it,
SHR
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Hi to all ek colleagues!,
Thanks for all your post about the current situation in Emirit....
, unless one is totally desesperate to find a job this airline seems not to be the right place....
.... why all these changes?????
.....why pilots are not happy as they were before?¿.......
I am one of the posible new joiners of Ek
...i wanted to received a good training, new interesting destinations and procedures....but i am really worried about the fatigue problem is going on over there
.....
For shr, please, can u tell me if is mandatory to sing a 3 year contract with Ek?¿..
..any other opcion?....
thanks to all of u!!
;SAFE LANDINGS...
Thanks for all your post about the current situation in Emirit....
, unless one is totally desesperate to find a job this airline seems not to be the right place........ why all these changes?????.....why pilots are not happy as they were before?¿.......I am one of the posible new joiners of Ek
...i wanted to received a good training, new interesting destinations and procedures....but i am really worried about the fatigue problem is going on over there..... For shr, please, can u tell me if is mandatory to sing a 3 year contract with Ek?¿..
..any other opcion?....thanks to all of u!!
;SAFE LANDINGS...
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@ DO-27
you are signing the contract once you decided to come...
The sheet of paper that you are signing is not even worth the money that it's written on.
So sign your 3 years contract and then just do a runner... Like loots of others have done it be4.
Emirates chanages my contract on a nearly-dayly basis....
So chill m8... just sign... it's worth nothing....
If you don't like it anymore... just bail out of the sandpit and start at a better place again...
EK went down the drain.... let's see what comes next but I doubt it goes the uphill road....
Ed is leaving soon and i guess Mr M MAHAGONY is already in the pits with new bright and way better ideas how to f.... us even more...
We will all say thank you when he f..... us and at least uses some lube....
Buddy, if you don't have a job... come and make some money... Bail out asap you have a better option and do a runner....
(easiest way and no hassle and trouble...)
Loot's of us are just on the jump...
I said it before...sh*&# goes always one direction... But when it's toooooo much it get's interaktiv and comes bk to you....
Ek will soon find out... The market is picking up....
you are signing the contract once you decided to come...
The sheet of paper that you are signing is not even worth the money that it's written on.
So sign your 3 years contract and then just do a runner... Like loots of others have done it be4.
Emirates chanages my contract on a nearly-dayly basis....
So chill m8... just sign... it's worth nothing....
If you don't like it anymore... just bail out of the sandpit and start at a better place again...
EK went down the drain.... let's see what comes next but I doubt it goes the uphill road....
Ed is leaving soon and i guess Mr M MAHAGONY is already in the pits with new bright and way better ideas how to f.... us even more...
We will all say thank you when he f..... us and at least uses some lube....
Buddy, if you don't have a job... come and make some money... Bail out asap you have a better option and do a runner....
(easiest way and no hassle and trouble...)
Loot's of us are just on the jump...
I said it before...sh*&# goes always one direction... But when it's toooooo much it get's interaktiv and comes bk to you....
Ek will soon find out... The market is picking up....