pool

seems like Korean got their "Captain South Africa"

and

at EK the k(b)idding system apparently works, according to our own special envoys.
Well, judging by the accent of most of the poor buggars spending x-mas on the opposite side of their native country and away from loved ones, I quite frankly think otherwise: It has become as punitive as the rest of the company attitude.

Happy new year anyway, even if spent x-thousand miles away from what you bid for in your top month.

QCM1

No White Saus was not talking about EK safety culture,but rather about Korean safety culture and records,different...
Safe Flights to you.

Wizofoz

Can't see that being true.

Firstly, Korean don't directly employ ex-pats, it goes through agencies.

Secondly, I believe they can staff there entire expat requirement soley from Emirates pilots whohave already applied.

Still, if it is the case, it would be an interesting developement.

desertflyer

maybe they're coming to interview all the applicants??

fatbus

KAL still does the interview after the contract company have sent them their applivations. It might be cheaper to do them here at the CAE 777 sim and those that pass go for a med there. Just maybe but I don't think so.

jinglied

Mr etops777, you said:

"Please check your resources before making a such remark. China Airlines was never MANDATED to hire any expats. The need to hire an expats was because not enough locals to filled the seats, PERIOD!"

Guess I hit a nerve. However, for three years (1997-1999) "Lufthansa's" Tecknik AG" was hired to upgrade the level of safety and training for China Airlines pilots and engineers. They brought the Airline's kill ratio down from 5 times the worlds average to something far more respectable. As far as I can tell, Lufthansa's employees were expat's and they changed the company. ...period....

And although KAL does require a certain percentage of expat's on the flight deck, ( as in hired) as far as I know they do not require them on every flight.

Jinglie'd

puff m'call

They really don't have to come to Dubai, Dubai is going to them!!

Chatting to a mate who just got back from the interview and he said most of the guy's there were emirates. They (Korean) said they are not trying to poach emirates pilots, it's the pilot who are applying to them. The main factor
being the basings, you can live where you like. it's as easy as that.

Listen up EK!!!!!

extreme P

Not going to happen.

johnnyramjet

With 200+ EK applications on the desk at Korean, I would think that it is cheaper to send the Korean recruitment team to Dubai, than send 200 EK guys to Korea.

Volverine

How do you know ?

Fart Master

I don't think Korean takes expat FO's

extreme P

You sign a contract as FO or Captain. That is all. Maybe easiest for you to email any agency involved with KAL and ask about the time to upgrade for FO's?

woldo

Hi Guys,

According to last third century experience Asian people learn much faster than the rest. Also in aviation! They are really working hard to improve their standards and they are quite successful in doing that.
Recent incident statistics prove that the ex-pats are causing already more incidents then the locals! Keep this in mind! KAL is not a second class job anymore; KAL has improved to a world class airline with a world class standard and a very good working environment.
During the Interview process most pilots fail on the sim (between 50 to 70%) and the day after many fail the medical test. Usually only 2 to 3 pilots out of 20 pass the interview. Keep also this in mind when you start thinking of changing your job, it´s not possible to “just passing by and take this job until I get a better one”.

Volverine

It make sense for an airline in need of pilots to hire well trained type rated pilots with heavy world wide experience, looking for better "treatment" and respect (fair ticketing policy, contract and basic conditions consistency, intelligent rosters, etc...) highly motivated by the commuting way of life.

No cost for the company, only bonus by the time loyalty is the key for a mutual respect.

Making sense philosophy and logic is not accessible to everybody.

Dropp the Pilot

QED..............

fractional

Market trends. One either adjusts or suffers the consequences.

Volverine

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johnnyramjet

Volverine, I have seen nothing in print, just going by what a friend has said who flies the 777 for Korean. It could be BS, however he is in recruitment and he is ex EK.

Wizofoz

I stand corrected!
'
Jan 30th at the Mecure'.

desertflyer

Word is the folks down under have caught on to the Korean commuting deal and are now starting to "Tax" their Aussie pilots.......is the USA next? Makes the pay worth much less.......that being said, guess being in your home country with your family EVERY MONTH is priceless! Now if I could only get some sleep!!!!! Where am I??????