New Bidding Rules in Emirates
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Wind-up alert EK guys. Just ignore it please.
Having said this, once EK finds out (and, I expect they will, eventually
) that the shared type of roster works well for all concerned, they will implement it anyway...perhaps in a way that is totally obtuse, in order to obtain reasonable utility from crew members.
IE: never underestimate the ability of an airline management to utilise a crew rostering technique that suits them, not crew members.
Doubt?
Wait and see.
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There's a lot of people getting their nether garments in a bunch here!
IMHO, it's not a bad thing, and you can still bid for a region if you want to avoid certain areas.
It's a bummer for those with family out of DXB and I can understand the reaction from them. Having said that, I believe the company would waive the limit for those who had special circumstances/compassionate reasons as has been done in the past.
Taking cover...
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IMHO, it's not a bad thing, and you can still bid for a region if you want to avoid certain areas.
It's a bummer for those with family out of DXB and I can understand the reaction from them. Having said that, I believe the company would waive the limit for those who had special circumstances/compassionate reasons as has been done in the past.
Taking cover...
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Lack of Maturity and Professionalism
Again a change made by the company at large. A simple prompt in the bidding system would have been enough. One prompt asking you how many time you want this destination for the month. Most of the time when i request a destination in my top bid I get it 3 times. Not my choice. Just a problem with the bidding system. The fact is that our managers are so busy with what they are doing they can not come up with a reasonable solution. Only a few guys want to go at the same destinations many times and they get it only in their top bid. I feel for them now. What is the very sad story is that the manipulations of these managers are now affecting us in our top bids. Like if we would make them work on their week ends to be more productive. Let's not talk about the other bid groups because it is not funny anymore. The managers are making NO EFFORTS to try to find proper way out. Just as if it would be so easy for us to top up 5 T of fuel on every flight just because we can and it is an easy way out! It is just a trend of cutting our T&C. Then they can get their production bonuses. I think they are broke. They will lie to the end. But by now we all know that, except the fools that think it will get better with time
Sad, Sad but true. I think EK is broke and it is not getting better. The trend vector is going down fast... they are putting out fires! Terrain Terrain Pull Up Pull UP! If you do the wrong actions then you crash. Desperate times desperate measures. That's what i see from these guys for the past few years. They can't make money with the A/C full anymore. The concept is obsolete. Welcome to a brand new world. I sure wouldn't want to be in management shoes. Except when they get their fat bonuses. Because they deserve it.
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Sad, Sad but true. I think EK is broke and it is not getting better. The trend vector is going down fast... they are putting out fires! Terrain Terrain Pull Up Pull UP! If you do the wrong actions then you crash. Desperate times desperate measures. That's what i see from these guys for the past few years. They can't make money with the A/C full anymore. The concept is obsolete. Welcome to a brand new world. I sure wouldn't want to be in management shoes. Except when they get their fat bonuses. Because they deserve it.Keep Discovering
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That is the way I read it as well. It will be interesting to see how it works in practice- I think a lot of people will be going to destinations they don't really want to visit, even in their higher bid months. You would think they would be able to remove this limit in the top one or two bid months but that would make our lives too easy I suppose.
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Asian Experience
There is at least one Asian carrier that route endorsees individuals on one route and then requires the person to fly that route for a period of time. Two years comes to mind however this is subject to correction.
Having an individual intimately familiar with a specific route provides defenses that are missing with less familiarity.
A casual knowledge of many routes does not equate to an intimate general knowledge.
Forcing individuals to operate to ports that they would normally choose to avoid like for example JFK during the winter, has significant risk management issues. Knowing ones own comfort levels and operating within those levels is better risk management than when the same individual is working at the top end of his comfort zone where there is less margin to deal with non normal occurrences.
In the inevitable accident/incident occurrence that will result from this new policy a functional investigatory agency may well find that the author of the policy is a significant factor.
Having an individual intimately familiar with a specific route provides defenses that are missing with less familiarity.
A casual knowledge of many routes does not equate to an intimate general knowledge.
Forcing individuals to operate to ports that they would normally choose to avoid like for example JFK during the winter, has significant risk management issues. Knowing ones own comfort levels and operating within those levels is better risk management than when the same individual is working at the top end of his comfort zone where there is less margin to deal with non normal occurrences.
In the inevitable accident/incident occurrence that will result from this new policy a functional investigatory agency may well find that the author of the policy is a significant factor.
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And the poor f*****s who screwed up at Jo'Burg, Perth, Melbourne & all the other 'Not in the Public Domain' near-f*** ups that don't reach these threads were all caused because the crews concerned were not 'Network Exposed & Experienced'????
What a pan full of arse gravy!!!!!
These incidents & near incidents had NOTHING at all to do with arrogance ,empire-building & systematic faults within EK Training?
NOTHING at all to do with crews being forced to work dangerous, punishing & fatigue inducing rosters?
The ability of getting home in addition to the Days Off & Leave allocations was one of the benefits that I stayed for when I was in EK but I think this 'policy' is just going to fuel the fire that is EK's experience retainment ability.
What a pan full of arse gravy!!!!!
These incidents & near incidents had NOTHING at all to do with arrogance ,empire-building & systematic faults within EK Training?
NOTHING at all to do with crews being forced to work dangerous, punishing & fatigue inducing rosters?
The ability of getting home in addition to the Days Off & Leave allocations was one of the benefits that I stayed for when I was in EK but I think this 'policy' is just going to fuel the fire that is EK's experience retainment ability.
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New Bidding Rules in Emirates
Evening,
Could some kind soul in EK please explain to me the process/logic/ilogic behind the new rules for bidding?
As far as I can tell after getting my Nov roster its a ballsup!
Ed says 2 trips per region.I understand that its actually meant to limit us to 2 trips per destination but the program couldnt do this!However this does not limit the number of turnarounds to the same region!!
So its seems like 2 trips per region at the bidding/planning stage but you can swap(if you can) to 2 trips to the same place.
So if i want to see family eg in the UK the max I could receive is say 1 LHR and 1 MAN.In the past I could have had 3 LHR and 3 MAN.UK is one region
Eds rant about safety and giving us forced exposure too different routes is farcical and insulting.We all know that in the top say 2 bid groups we get roughly what we would have liked and in the bottom 3 groups get roughly what we dont like.ie destinations we dont bid for.therfore satisfying Eds reasons behind the change
Anyone care to enlighten me on the above changes.
Hope the above all makes some kind of sense to someone
Ive always been a glass half full type of person when it comes to EK despite all the Crap recently but despite my relatively long time here,this new change has really p_ssed me off.
Over and out.
Could some kind soul in EK please explain to me the process/logic/ilogic behind the new rules for bidding?
As far as I can tell after getting my Nov roster its a ballsup!
Ed says 2 trips per region.I understand that its actually meant to limit us to 2 trips per destination but the program couldnt do this!However this does not limit the number of turnarounds to the same region!!
So its seems like 2 trips per region at the bidding/planning stage but you can swap(if you can) to 2 trips to the same place.
So if i want to see family eg in the UK the max I could receive is say 1 LHR and 1 MAN.In the past I could have had 3 LHR and 3 MAN.UK is one region
Eds rant about safety and giving us forced exposure too different routes is farcical and insulting.We all know that in the top say 2 bid groups we get roughly what we would have liked and in the bottom 3 groups get roughly what we dont like.ie destinations we dont bid for.therfore satisfying Eds reasons behind the change
Anyone care to enlighten me on the above changes.
Hope the above all makes some kind of sense to someone
Ive always been a glass half full type of person when it comes to EK despite all the Crap recently but despite my relatively long time here,this new change has really p_ssed me off.
Over and out.
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EK does not want you to be able to see your family anywhere else but DXB and some of ED's buddies still dont like their rosters( DEC's that still dont get what they want in top bid)
Line bidding is coming so take what you can for now
Some really good 330 contracts out there
Line bidding is coming so take what you can for now
Some really good 330 contracts out there
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what kind of good contracts?
Let us know please
Let us know please
- Vietnam Airlines A330 / B777 contracts via Parc, Direct Personnel, Rishworth.
- Air China A330 Capt with basings in Vancouver, Sydney, Frankfurt, Paris
- Jetstar Australia, looking for A330 F/O s
- Tiger Airways Australia - A320 jobs based in MEL
- Korean, several types , commuting contracts
- Aerologic, based in Leipzig, Germany; B777 fast track commands
Good luck
