Hadj and L-1011's
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I didn't see any L1011's last year during Hajj. I don't have a source or a link, but I remember hearing that the Saudi's won't let in airframes over a certain age in for Hajj. I think the limit was at or around 20/25 years old.
I did see lots of 747 classics last year, so maybe I am wrong.
I did see lots of 747 classics last year, so maybe I am wrong.
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From: Arizona USA
Two airlines last year, three (possibly four) this year, operating the Haj with the L1011 equipment.
Beyond the Haj, one L10 operator is planning ad-hoc and track program charters to Central America and South Africa.
Other programs in the works, also.
Beyond the Haj, one L10 operator is planning ad-hoc and track program charters to Central America and South Africa.
Other programs in the works, also.
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From: East Anglia
The good thing about 411A is he gives excellent advice and importantly he is prepared to share his information...many older pilots do not and will not share and let younger guys find out the hard way.
What he says is IMHO and experiance, just happens to be the truth.
Younger pilots may not like the way he says it... but nevertheless 411A tells it like it is...younger pilots do not have to pay attention.
Similarly the above applies to Millerscourt who also tells it like it is.
IMHO these two gentlemen make reading pprune worthwhile.
What he says is IMHO and experiance, just happens to be the truth.
Younger pilots may not like the way he says it... but nevertheless 411A tells it like it is...younger pilots do not have to pay attention.
Similarly the above applies to Millerscourt who also tells it like it is.
IMHO these two gentlemen make reading pprune worthwhile.
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40&80,
Unfortunately we get contributions on subjects about which they know almost nothing. No objections to guys passing on facts they know.
This is a "Rumour" network and if you believe everything you are told you'll be in deep !!!!!.
Unfortunately we get contributions on subjects about which they know almost nothing. No objections to guys passing on facts they know.
This is a "Rumour" network and if you believe everything you are told you'll be in deep !!!!!.
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From: S E Asia
A couple of L1011s are usualy kept at OMRK
Ras Al Khaimah International Airport
OMRK Ras Al Khaimah International Airport Current Weather Conditions and Forecasts
Your can zoom the sat photo and see them there! Don't know if there are still there.
Ras Al Khaimah International Airport
OMRK Ras Al Khaimah International Airport Current Weather Conditions and Forecasts
Your can zoom the sat photo and see them there! Don't know if there are still there.
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metro301 . . .
". . . the Saudi's won't let in airframes over a certain age in for Hajj. I think the limit was at or around 20/25 years old."
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From: Arizona USA
SV has been seen operating some very old HZ registered pax galleons, aka 747-100s and -200s
Indeed they have, first one dellivered June 1981, as I recall.
Prior to that, they wet leased two 747's from MEA.
Those L10's belong to Sky Gate of Amman...
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Glueball,
I said the same thing in the next sentence:
"I did see lots of 747 classics last year, so maybe I am wrong."
Here is what I had read, it doesn't totally apply, It just means inspections for aircraft over 20 years of age.
"4.a.2 All aircraft older than 20 years prior to its flight permit application date, considered an aging aircraft.... GACA shall physically inspect these aircraft."
http://www.gaca.gov.sa/GACA/Attachme...j_circular.pdf
I said the same thing in the next sentence:
"I did see lots of 747 classics last year, so maybe I am wrong."
Here is what I had read, it doesn't totally apply, It just means inspections for aircraft over 20 years of age.
"4.a.2 All aircraft older than 20 years prior to its flight permit application date, considered an aging aircraft.... GACA shall physically inspect these aircraft."
http://www.gaca.gov.sa/GACA/Attachme...j_circular.pdf
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From: NYC
good evening all
Just to contribute to this subject
the saudis will only allow Aircraft with YOM 1991 and beyond , in other words , they will not deliver an FOC for the hajj operation , this applies for the 747-3 and 400's
im not sure about others.
does anyone have experience with ACMI leases ? lessees? or lessors?
Just to contribute to this subject
the saudis will only allow Aircraft with YOM 1991 and beyond , in other words , they will not deliver an FOC for the hajj operation , this applies for the 747-3 and 400's
im not sure about others.
does anyone have experience with ACMI leases ? lessees? or lessors?
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From: Arizona USA
the saudis will only allow Aircraft with YOM 1991 and beyond
I am just now looking at an approval for a year 1983 manufactured airplane, signed and sealed.
does anyone have experience with ACMI leases ? lessees? or lessors?
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what type of AC is it if you do not mind me asking ? and for which hadj season was it approved?is it this upcoming one?
most of the requests for ACMI we get emphasize on the Year of manifacture "1991" and Younger
like i said perhaps it is just for 744 and 743's
most of the requests for ACMI we get emphasize on the Year of manifacture "1991" and Younger
like i said perhaps it is just for 744 and 743's
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From: Arizona USA
what type of AC is it if you do not mind me asking ? and for which hadj season was it approved?is it this upcoming one?
most of the requests for ACMI we get emphasize on the Year of manifacture "1991" and Younger
most of the requests for ACMI we get emphasize on the Year of manifacture "1991" and Younger
This upcoming Haj season....2009.
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From: Las Vegas, Gambia
Old Hajj Aircraft
There is no set rule for aircraft age and Hajj operations. While the current Hajj rules specify aircraft age, they are not an all inclusive rule. Depending on the operator, previous use as a hajj aircraft, and who you know, these rules can be waived on a yearly basis if deemed prudent by the hajj authorities. With the problems getting the pilgrims there each year, rest assured that older aircraft will continue to fly and if you jump through the right hoops and know the right people, you can get one approved fairly easily.
See ya!
See ya!
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The Saudis have been saying this age requirement for many years, but some how all the older aircraft still operate the haj. Just as previous years, this year and most likely 10 years from now.
Nothing changes there, moving the pax is more important than old aircraft.
Been there done that for many years as most here have.
Willing to bet even a few 707 will be at the haj terminal this year as every year along with the Tristars and the older 747/100.
Think Saudia even still operates some of these 747/100's.
seen 2 of them being chopped up last year but they operate a few more.
Was told Saudia was upgrading the 100's with FMS, doubt they will be getting rid of them.
Nothing changes there, moving the pax is more important than old aircraft.
Been there done that for many years as most here have.
Willing to bet even a few 707 will be at the haj terminal this year as every year along with the Tristars and the older 747/100.
Think Saudia even still operates some of these 747/100's.
seen 2 of them being chopped up last year but they operate a few more.
Was told Saudia was upgrading the 100's with FMS, doubt they will be getting rid of them.
Last edited by Earl; 4th September 2009 at 23:18.