EK 407 Pilot speaks out
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Live as you preach?
SFLY,
Am I missing something here?
First you criticise these EK guys who got too little sleep before that MEL-flight and say that itīs up to the pilot to say no if he feels he didnīt get enough rest and you are neglecting the responsibility of the company to provide a safe environment and guidelines to mitigate problems...and now...ET TU SFLY!...
You were involved in an operation were your fellow pilot fell asleep at the controls, so were was your assertiveness at that time, why didnīt you speak up earlier? Didnīt you feel that you, the crew, didnīt have enough rest before that flight?
Am I missing something here?
First you criticise these EK guys who got too little sleep before that MEL-flight and say that itīs up to the pilot to say no if he feels he didnīt get enough rest and you are neglecting the responsibility of the company to provide a safe environment and guidelines to mitigate problems...and now...ET TU SFLY!...
You were involved in an operation were your fellow pilot fell asleep at the controls, so were was your assertiveness at that time, why didnīt you speak up earlier? Didnīt you feel that you, the crew, didnīt have enough rest before that flight?
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QTRminator:
I think you misread me. I never blamed the MEL crew, I'm just saying that I feel disturbed when I hear the captain now complaining about his lack of sleep while he was less concerned about it before the beginning of his flight. Again, I'm not blaming anybody, but I feel disturbed when I hear people who are responsible of hundreds of lives proudly claiming in the papers that they were barely fit to fly.
Regarding my friend I wasn't part of the crew, I was just trying my best to help him before his flight. He was the only available pilot to do the flight, knowing it was a life and death matter. It's a shame he had to fly under such circumstances for as little as $1500 a month and I'm the first to tell you that the company must provide adequate resting conditions to its crews, this applies to EK of course. Having said that, I know my friend is totally assuming his decisions and that he wouldn't go to the papers to make such statements.
I think you misread me. I never blamed the MEL crew, I'm just saying that I feel disturbed when I hear the captain now complaining about his lack of sleep while he was less concerned about it before the beginning of his flight. Again, I'm not blaming anybody, but I feel disturbed when I hear people who are responsible of hundreds of lives proudly claiming in the papers that they were barely fit to fly.
Regarding my friend I wasn't part of the crew, I was just trying my best to help him before his flight. He was the only available pilot to do the flight, knowing it was a life and death matter. It's a shame he had to fly under such circumstances for as little as $1500 a month and I'm the first to tell you that the company must provide adequate resting conditions to its crews, this applies to EK of course. Having said that, I know my friend is totally assuming his decisions and that he wouldn't go to the papers to make such statements.
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SFLY... appreciate your concern but, when all comes to all, it must be hard for someone not actively flying ULR or short for that matter to imagine what its like and when to say STOP. I know the guys and have spoken to then after the incident. Dont think he did and interview though. Just some back room journalist trying to break a story.
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Lets put an end to this post.
I know for a fact that the Captain did not do an interview for this particular article and that none of the crew decided to break any silence. They have been living quietly since the accident trying to move on.
It is not documented where the fatigue and rest issues in the article is from and whether that has been said or not.
The only thing for sure is that the facts are only known to the crew and the ATSB whom are still working on the report. Until that has been released no one knows what has been said and done.
Also ask yourself this question. Have you ever done a T/O in the middle of the night with a full tank of gas and full cabin thinking "damn I feel pretty crap right now"? at the same time you felt OK when you checked in?
I know for a fact that the Captain did not do an interview for this particular article and that none of the crew decided to break any silence. They have been living quietly since the accident trying to move on.
It is not documented where the fatigue and rest issues in the article is from and whether that has been said or not.
The only thing for sure is that the facts are only known to the crew and the ATSB whom are still working on the report. Until that has been released no one knows what has been said and done.
Also ask yourself this question. Have you ever done a T/O in the middle of the night with a full tank of gas and full cabin thinking "damn I feel pretty crap right now"? at the same time you felt OK when you checked in?
