Company regulation, new FCI
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Company regulation, new FCI
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Employees are expected to:
"Act with courtesy, integrity, honesty and professionalism when dealing with customers,
colleagues, suppliers and passengers, whether on or off duty"
Can you do the same in the management PLEASE......
Employees are expected to:
"Act with courtesy, integrity, honesty and professionalism when dealing with customers,
colleagues, suppliers and passengers, whether on or off duty"
Can you do the same in the management PLEASE......
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Flight deck please sit in your rooms reading the newspaper!
Anyone seen this too? Can you imagine working for a first world airline & telling them that all these are not allowed. "Sorry Lufthansa flight deck going to LA but no skiing for you!" "Sorry BA flight deck going to San Fran no water skiing for you or even no ultra dangerous sport of kayaking can be done!@!!"
Whilst on layover, Flight Crew are prohibited from taking part in any ‘dangerous' or 'extreme’
sports activity that may jeopardize their safety and the continuity of the operation, including,
but not limited to, abseiling, base-jumping, diving, hang-gliding, kayaking, ice hockey, motor
sporting activities, off road mountain biking, parachuting, polo, pot holing, power boat racing,
sailing, skiing, rock climbing and mountain climbing. Flight Crew who are found to be in
breach of this policy may risk the loss of some or all of the existing company insurance
coverage, at the company's sole discretion, in the event that an injury is sustained as a result of
any such activity
I'm sorry but climbing Mount Everest might be a little dangerous but kayaking?
Whilst on layover, Flight Crew are prohibited from taking part in any ‘dangerous' or 'extreme’
sports activity that may jeopardize their safety and the continuity of the operation, including,
but not limited to, abseiling, base-jumping, diving, hang-gliding, kayaking, ice hockey, motor
sporting activities, off road mountain biking, parachuting, polo, pot holing, power boat racing,
sailing, skiing, rock climbing and mountain climbing. Flight Crew who are found to be in
breach of this policy may risk the loss of some or all of the existing company insurance
coverage, at the company's sole discretion, in the event that an injury is sustained as a result of
any such activity
I'm sorry but climbing Mount Everest might be a little dangerous but kayaking?
Seems to me that if you cannot do anything on your supposed time off it must be something else. The only thing possible is that you are still on duty so it must really rack up your duty hours and duty pay (do you get that?).
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have not heard of anyone racing boats on a layover, but there is a first time for everything.
this whole thing has AAR all over it, as far as he is concerned " he thinks you belong to him while on layover" no fun , no stress relief, no healthy exercise just sit there and go nuts.
this whole thing has AAR all over it, as far as he is concerned " he thinks you belong to him while on layover" no fun , no stress relief, no healthy exercise just sit there and go nuts.
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....as far as he is concerned " he thinks you belong to him while on layover" no fun , no stress relief, no healthy exercise just sit there and go nuts.
IF you thought otherwise, you would be most sadly mistaken.
Doubt?
Try it and see.
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411A,
You may belong to the Co. during a layover, but I certainly do not, and will not. If they can't contact you there is quite simply nothing they can do.
With a ridiculous comment like that, the Co. doesn't just own YOU, but they have you bending over a barrel just waiting for your next degredation.
Makes me sick to my gut to listen to your dribble.
You may belong to the Co. during a layover, but I certainly do not, and will not. If they can't contact you there is quite simply nothing they can do.
With a ridiculous comment like that, the Co. doesn't just own YOU, but they have you bending over a barrel just waiting for your next degredation.
Makes me sick to my gut to listen to your dribble.
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Do these office dummies like TCAS and AAR have nothing else to do than than sending out these useless cr@p mails. Time someone cuts some of the slack we have in management.
And than there's the question I ask myself every time : How low can u go....
And than there's the question I ask myself every time : How low can u go....
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Reminds me of the good old days when EK first went to Nice. At the right time of year, most of the crew would grab a minivan and head on up to Isola 2000 to ski. My brief to my FO went along the lines that if I broke a leg on the slopes, he was to drag my protesting body down to the waterfront at NCE before calling for medical attention. 
I'm not sure how I was planning to explain why I needed winter woolies and ski goggles on the beach at Nice!!
I'm not sure how I was planning to explain why I needed winter woolies and ski goggles on the beach at Nice!!
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You may belong to the Co. during a layover, but I certainly do not, and will not. If they can't contact you there is quite simply nothing they can do.
If you are not available, and the company tries unsuccessfully to locate you to no avail, due (for example, you having left the layover station to go skiing) the company is quite within their rights to terminate you for cause.
What will you do....contact your pilots union and complain?
You don't know it yet, but working in the middle east for an airline, you are screwed, blued, and tatooed...and absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Except quit.
Think I'm wrong?
Try it and see.
411A, if you wind the guys up I'll thread-ban you. We acknowledge you as the all-knowing ME expert but don't irritate the locals for the sake of showing us how much you know, from your many years in the sand-pit, on a topic that has SFA to do with you. 4HP
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Another nail in the coffin. Maneuvers are being made for the great escape from the desert. I'm quite happy to quit. I will never tolerate being owned. I'd rather live in my parents basement, poor as a pauper, then give some unethical corporate scum delusions of owning me.
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its all getting rather silly. On a daily basis there is something in that inbox to piss you off. I have never been one to get too wound up about this stuff but it is starting to bother me badly and that can not be good for the companies bottom line. FCI after FCI basically demeaning us in what is an increasingly aggressive tone. Then I am expected to sit in that cockpit and save every drop of fuel, every minute of time and take any change that sched doles out without a sniff. When was sailing a dangerous sport??? we are hardly going to be crossing the southern ocean on a layover (I notice they missed kitesurfing!! Wonder how long that revision will take).
If there were other jobs I would look around - there is not much fun to be had any more.
If there were other jobs I would look around - there is not much fun to be had any more.
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411A - except that after my rest I am perfectly entitled to go out to eat, exercise etc during which I am unreachable. In this case I guess I a will always be out eating - if asked
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Absolutely right Trader,
Just because you are not contactable during a layover doesn't mean you have gone skiing, or anything else that could end in termination for that matter.
411A, it's time to come back to reality now. Emirates can only own you if you let them. Good luck puppet.
Just because you are not contactable during a layover doesn't mean you have gone skiing, or anything else that could end in termination for that matter.
411A, it's time to come back to reality now. Emirates can only own you if you let them. Good luck puppet.
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Background to this latest shaft:
Recently a Qantas cabin crew was reported as having won a large sum of cash-money in the courts based on having suffered a personal injury when down-route on a layover.
The airline was found to be liable because they gave her allowances instead of a hotel meal-voucher to pay for her dinner. Therefore they accepted that she might go down the road to 7-11 and buy herself some noodles instead of eating in the hotel reataurant.
Compis mentis - it was the airline's fault.
Now the EK Brain Trust who see and smell all things money with crystal vision have acted in advance to prevent similar here. They have told you what not to do and will not pay if you indulge and damage yourself. Case closed - so they think.
Want to know what the next shaft will be? Note the reference above to crew not having been issued a hotel MEAL VOUCHER.
With the exception of being contactable, being downroute after the required rest period is like being on a day off. No requirement for anyone to do anything except show up at pick-up time. If it's a two-day or more layover, you don't even have to be sober the entire time provided the limits for the planned next duty are not exceeded. Sorry 411A but you're wrong again. Not surprising since you're taking wild guesses from miles away.
You're already supposed to be contactable, according to the FOM. The company phone gets them a Capt at short notice but may not help with an FO who's probably out tomcatting when the call comes in. Good luck to him... Anyway the FOM already states the phone is for contact when on a layover. They'll tell you that implies it should be on. Yes but you might be in a bad reception area...
It already says: "No pot-holing"
Recently a Qantas cabin crew was reported as having won a large sum of cash-money in the courts based on having suffered a personal injury when down-route on a layover.
The airline was found to be liable because they gave her allowances instead of a hotel meal-voucher to pay for her dinner. Therefore they accepted that she might go down the road to 7-11 and buy herself some noodles instead of eating in the hotel reataurant.
Compis mentis - it was the airline's fault.
Now the EK Brain Trust who see and smell all things money with crystal vision have acted in advance to prevent similar here. They have told you what not to do and will not pay if you indulge and damage yourself. Case closed - so they think.
Want to know what the next shaft will be? Note the reference above to crew not having been issued a hotel MEAL VOUCHER.
after you have completed your mandated rest period...... you are to be used at the companies descretion. If..... the company tries unsuccessfully to locate you .........the company is quite within their rights to terminate you for cause
stand by for the FCI stating that you WILL have your company phone on and in your possession at all times while on a layover.
What about sex???
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More money saving!
Reducing the clauses and highlighting the exceptions in their insurance contracts makes the insurance cost cheaper for the company. They probably renegotiated their insurance contracts and must have change certain clauses to save money. What about a new clause stating "All captains must have 3000 hours on type before going to the left seat" 
It's far from over, it's all about money.
Keep Discovering
It's far from over, it's all about money.
Keep Discovering