EK Command upgrade and fleet transfer policy FCI 2009-046
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EK Command upgrade and fleet transfer policy FCI 2009-046
All EK FO'S looking forward to upgrade's in the near future.
3000 Hrs now required on ek type 330/340 or 777.
Guys that just went over to the 777, 1000 hrs stick time now required.
The beating's will continue until morale improves.
3000 Hrs now required on ek type 330/340 or 777.
Guys that just went over to the 777, 1000 hrs stick time now required.
The beating's will continue until morale improves.
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I have to say that the flow chart is a work of art!!! I wondered what happened in the cozy offices all day - now we know
So - the F/Os who went 380 will be well and truly stuck there now, and then finally when 'unfrozen' it's right seat 330 for at least 3 months more
So - the F/Os who went 380 will be well and truly stuck there now, and then finally when 'unfrozen' it's right seat 330 for at least 3 months more
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Hard time definition also changed from a/c with MTOW of 10,00kgs to 55,000kgs. All the guys off corporate or RJ's now need 4000 hours hard time before upgrade.
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I'm gonna have to start going sick less!! 
Another good way of increasing our productivity I guess. Gotta feel for the 380 f/o's though. A serious shafting 
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Time to react
I barely ever read PPrune but EK has out did them selves. This is complete BS.
They are forcing us in a corner to fight back, anyone that has a plan, would love to hear it.
I am responding AS as a first step.
They are forcing us in a corner to fight back, anyone that has a plan, would love to hear it.
I am responding AS as a first step.
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380 FO's
I told you so!
Let us try and guess what is going to be the next installment of Circque du Emirates.
No suitably qualified FO's so TCAS and TCED can now bring in all their brown nose buddies as DEC's to help them spread only positive spin.
Watch this space!
Keep being B*@@ered.
Let us try and guess what is going to be the next installment of Circque du Emirates.
No suitably qualified FO's so TCAS and TCED can now bring in all their brown nose buddies as DEC's to help them spread only positive spin.
Watch this space!
Keep being B*@@ered.
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Timeframe
I been here just over 3 years and have under EK's definition of hard time approx 1600 hours( only P1 or P2 counted). So to make my 3000 hour upgrade requirement i'm now looking at just under 6 years. For those needing the 4000 hour hard time requirement when they join that looks more like 8 years. Just a little perspective on the newly enforced upgrade timeline for new joiners. For all the people who say that's still not bad please understand this is an artificial barrier to allow DEC's to jump once previously qualified F\O's.
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Even though this FCI doesn´t affect me, I feel utterly disgusted about the treatment of my fellow FO´s. As you guys pointed out, this is just a door opener for Ed´s DEC friends, nothing else.
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Very very painful this one for >500 of the FO's here.
The outcome will mainly depend on the economy. If it stays down for a while it should not affect too many FO's : the number of upgrades is very limited anyhow this year on all fleets. If however things pick up, then it will hurt big time I guess. The biggest one to swallow is for the 380 guys. Oh dear...
Well EK, I guess you lost the last glance of credit with a big part of your FO's. At least they dropped their' masks completely now.
If only someone could explain the reason for this sh@ft1ng. Of all incidents from last 6 months, to my knowledge, there was NEVER a recently upgraded guy involved.
The outcome will mainly depend on the economy. If it stays down for a while it should not affect too many FO's : the number of upgrades is very limited anyhow this year on all fleets. If however things pick up, then it will hurt big time I guess. The biggest one to swallow is for the 380 guys. Oh dear...
Well EK, I guess you lost the last glance of credit with a big part of your FO's. At least they dropped their' masks completely now.
If only someone could explain the reason for this sh@ft1ng. Of all incidents from last 6 months, to my knowledge, there was NEVER a recently upgraded guy involved.
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Yes, you are right on most issues but you fail to address the most important thing of all : EK has the WORST training department I have seen in my carreer. I'll correct the name: it should be checking department.
During my initial training I could not believe the cr@p they came up with.
I worked for a few major outfits in Europe so I have seen how training is done. And I consider myself LUCKY I can fall back on this experience.
So as long as the puppets in the BS castle don't address the training itself, nothing is gonna change in the quality of the upgrade pool.
During my initial training I could not believe the cr@p they came up with.
I worked for a few major outfits in Europe so I have seen how training is done. And I consider myself LUCKY I can fall back on this experience.So as long as the puppets in the BS castle don't address the training itself, nothing is gonna change in the quality of the upgrade pool.
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Wow... Unbelieveable!!!! This is just another way of beating down the pilot group. These amendments to the contract are getting out of hand. Things just keep getting worse and worse at EK...
And to "EK Lawyer".... be aware that many of the FO's stuck on the A380 were dooped into going over. The initial letter was an expression of interest.... remember. And then when they locked the list, they had no choice but to stay. Don't paint the FO's with the same brush. Most of the guys I've talked to were not happy going over to begin with.
With changes like this.... what reason would there be to stay in Dubai???? Appears as if there will be a mad exodus from the land of sand. And why would any FO with a clue want to come now... and wait for a decade to upgrade. What would be the benefit... when you can do the same at home. Guess this means the doors will be wide open for DEC's....
And to "EK Lawyer".... be aware that many of the FO's stuck on the A380 were dooped into going over. The initial letter was an expression of interest.... remember. And then when they locked the list, they had no choice but to stay. Don't paint the FO's with the same brush. Most of the guys I've talked to were not happy going over to begin with.
With changes like this.... what reason would there be to stay in Dubai???? Appears as if there will be a mad exodus from the land of sand. And why would any FO with a clue want to come now... and wait for a decade to upgrade. What would be the benefit... when you can do the same at home. Guess this means the doors will be wide open for DEC's....
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Upgrades - Halas!!
Colleagues (to quote the speaking seabiscuit)
My fellow FO's who are probably judiciously auditing personal logbooks at this very hour please be reminded that time spent in the bunk and/or business class doesn't count! Sorry but the hits keep coming.
IMHO this is a well thought out plan of subterfuge that has nothing to do with increasing standards and everything to do with slowing/stopping the upgrade programme without coming right out and saying so. Anybody remember "lipstick on a pig"? The increase in the productivity threshold created additional crew overnight and with no deliveries in FY2010 we are probably overstaffed. When the upgrades slowed down/stopped on the 'bus a few years back it was a bit of a PR disaster. Applications dried-up and MGMT was forced to actually improve our pay and some conditions. This time all they have to say is that the programme hasn't stopped - there just aren't any qualified candidates.
My heart really goes out to those guys that joined within the last 18 months:
Temporary Accomadation (became semi-permanent)
Productivity Threshold moved - effective decrease in pay
No 3% adjustment - No bonus despite US$400M "profit"
When they do move to Al Waha - no phone/internet
Can't establish a garden because .................
DEWA - AED21,600 cap
And now Command in 2014 maybe.....
WOW
My fellow FO's who are probably judiciously auditing personal logbooks at this very hour please be reminded that time spent in the bunk and/or business class doesn't count! Sorry but the hits keep coming.
IMHO this is a well thought out plan of subterfuge that has nothing to do with increasing standards and everything to do with slowing/stopping the upgrade programme without coming right out and saying so. Anybody remember "lipstick on a pig"? The increase in the productivity threshold created additional crew overnight and with no deliveries in FY2010 we are probably overstaffed. When the upgrades slowed down/stopped on the 'bus a few years back it was a bit of a PR disaster. Applications dried-up and MGMT was forced to actually improve our pay and some conditions. This time all they have to say is that the programme hasn't stopped - there just aren't any qualified candidates.
My heart really goes out to those guys that joined within the last 18 months:
Temporary Accomadation (became semi-permanent)
Productivity Threshold moved - effective decrease in pay
No 3% adjustment - No bonus despite US$400M "profit"
When they do move to Al Waha - no phone/internet
Can't establish a garden because .................
DEWA - AED21,600 cap
And now Command in 2014 maybe.....
WOW
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My wife pointed something out that I hadn't considered. Maybe the management are deliberatley trying to goad people into leaving so they can reduce numbers without having to have it labeled "redundancy". Face is so important to this company.
I would suggest it will be like everything else around here, when they can't crew aircraft, when the recession ends there will be another new Upgrade and Transition policy!
Recommend not throwing in the job unless / until you have something better to go to, it may be just what they want!
I would suggest it will be like everything else around here, when they can't crew aircraft, when the recession ends there will be another new Upgrade and Transition policy!
Recommend not throwing in the job unless / until you have something better to go to, it may be just what they want!
Good effort matey.