UAE Residence owners get visit visas....
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UAE Residence owners get visit visas....
Have I missed the point, or am I stupid.
You own a property that has a worth, (in a calculation yet to be determined), of 1m aeds, and in return you receive a 6 mth visit visa.
Not a full residence visa, which has certain rights associated with it.
For example under the new rules, (as far as I can tell), the recepient of the 6 mth visa, can not buy a car, or obtain a health card, or E card: all or any of the "benefits" of the residential visa.
Every six months you must leave your home, and go elsewhere.
Not just a visa run, but one month away, from your home.
Does the "visa" allow family to come and go as they please.
This Visa is not in your passport, but a seperate document.
This rule is so typical of the rules introduced, there is absolutly no thinking, about the actual implementation.
Under the existing visa rules, (AFAIK) a brit, for example can do a visa run every two months, or so, and stay in UAE on that basis. Is this still the case. For example, I depart the UAE every few weeks, on business, and return using my passport, then there is no problem. My family would have a problem, but I would be "legally" in UAE.
Discuss.
My apologies if already forumised.
glf
You own a property that has a worth, (in a calculation yet to be determined), of 1m aeds, and in return you receive a 6 mth visit visa.
Not a full residence visa, which has certain rights associated with it.
For example under the new rules, (as far as I can tell), the recepient of the 6 mth visa, can not buy a car, or obtain a health card, or E card: all or any of the "benefits" of the residential visa.
Every six months you must leave your home, and go elsewhere.
Not just a visa run, but one month away, from your home.
Does the "visa" allow family to come and go as they please.
This Visa is not in your passport, but a seperate document.
This rule is so typical of the rules introduced, there is absolutly no thinking, about the actual implementation.
Under the existing visa rules, (AFAIK) a brit, for example can do a visa run every two months, or so, and stay in UAE on that basis. Is this still the case. For example, I depart the UAE every few weeks, on business, and return using my passport, then there is no problem. My family would have a problem, but I would be "legally" in UAE.
Discuss.
My apologies if already forumised.
glf
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The visa arrangements offered in conjunction with a purchase of property in the UAE are aimed at people who ordinarily live in worse sh1thole (relatively speaking) and need a bolthole.
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pardon me...but why in the world, somebody that can afford a 1 Million $ house, would want to live in the sandpit ? why for **** sake ? I can understand somebody staying there for a few years for work, which I did....but buying a property for a that much in UAE ?????????
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Just because you guys were not born and brought up here, does not mean this city has no meaning for others. Many expatriates have been living here for over 30 years, have seen this city grow! From a Muslim's perspective, this is the best city to live in. It has the Islamic culture, with the mix of modern world and luxuries that no city on this planet can offer.
vickers vanguard: Pardon me, but from my point of view, why would anyone with $1 million live any where else? After living in US and Australia for many years, I can safely conclude, Dubai has all the luxuries, cultures, and religions that co-exist in peace (at least compared to US/UK).
If any of you feel this "sandpit" doesn't offer what your homeland does, then why the **** are you living here? Do what Vickers did, go back to your "sh1thole" and be happy with it.
Coming to the subject of this thread: Yes, I disagree with the whole 6 month arrangement for property owners. Initially, when Emaar started off selling properties, they promised a 3 year residence visa (with certain restrictions). I believe they are still offering that to old property owners. I know someone living here with a 3 year residence visa from Emaar. So, I am assuming the new law is only applicable to new owners.
vickers vanguard: Pardon me, but from my point of view, why would anyone with $1 million live any where else? After living in US and Australia for many years, I can safely conclude, Dubai has all the luxuries, cultures, and religions that co-exist in peace (at least compared to US/UK).
If any of you feel this "sandpit" doesn't offer what your homeland does, then why the **** are you living here? Do what Vickers did, go back to your "sh1thole" and be happy with it.
Coming to the subject of this thread: Yes, I disagree with the whole 6 month arrangement for property owners. Initially, when Emaar started off selling properties, they promised a 3 year residence visa (with certain restrictions). I believe they are still offering that to old property owners. I know someone living here with a 3 year residence visa from Emaar. So, I am assuming the new law is only applicable to new owners.
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Poor piss ! from a Muslim perspective ??? islamic culture ??? my ass ! you guys are a joke. Don't talk about Islam, you guys are really not a good example. Widespread human traficking from former russian states. Women being brought into the country with false promises of a legal, decent job, and then forced into prostitution , with the locals usually being the first customers. How about the endless numbers of low wage workers that you abuse day after day, those are the ones that make it possible to build at a reasonable cost all those useless tall buildings that you think is the sign of success. How about giving those guys some rights, you don't have to give those poor souls, food away during the so called holly month of Ramadan ........after you have raped them all year long.
One of the fundamentals of Islam and any other religion for that matter, is the concept of Justice. Justice in UAE depends on the following :
1- For Locals : what family do you come from ? and how good of an ass kissers of the ruling family your family is ? the answer will determine what kind of service you will be then given.
2- For Foreigners or expatriates as you like to call them:
there's simply no justice for them when they're involved in a dispute with a local. it also depends on the nationality of the person. As a general rule, the harshest your country of origin has been to UAE in the past, the more rights you're given...if you know what I mean.
Anything illegal for the expatriates is legall for the locals behind the curtains.
We, the expatriates as you call them, were in your country to provide a service and bring some expertise that the locals were not and are still not capable of providing.
Tell you what : God will never bless a society where there's no justice...no matter what you worship.
You fix the above...and then maybe we can talk about the UAE being a model in this world...until then..
.................sincerely, from guy that was born a muslim, and still a devout muslim.
One of the fundamentals of Islam and any other religion for that matter, is the concept of Justice. Justice in UAE depends on the following :
1- For Locals : what family do you come from ? and how good of an ass kissers of the ruling family your family is ? the answer will determine what kind of service you will be then given.
2- For Foreigners or expatriates as you like to call them:
there's simply no justice for them when they're involved in a dispute with a local. it also depends on the nationality of the person. As a general rule, the harshest your country of origin has been to UAE in the past, the more rights you're given...if you know what I mean.
Anything illegal for the expatriates is legall for the locals behind the curtains.
We, the expatriates as you call them, were in your country to provide a service and bring some expertise that the locals were not and are still not capable of providing.
Tell you what : God will never bless a society where there's no justice...no matter what you worship.
You fix the above...and then maybe we can talk about the UAE being a model in this world...until then..
.................sincerely, from guy that was born a muslim, and still a devout muslim.
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......................sincerely, from guy that was born a muslim, and still a devout muslim.
I would suggest that you not travel to, work, nor live in another country, and then try to tell the local folks how to run it.
IE: it ain't your country.
A quite simple concept to understand.
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Gulfstreamaviator - What happens wrt house owners visas in the UAE would seem to be exactly the same position as that of a foreign national buying a house in. say, Europe, Australia, NZ, USA, UK.
I.e. Just because you might own a house in a foreign land does NOT instantly earn one the right of residence that foreign land.
I.e. Just because you might own a house in a foreign land does NOT instantly earn one the right of residence that foreign land.
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You are out of line 411A and you missed the point of V's post.
Anyhow, it makes no sense to NOT offer a residence visa after purchasing a place in Dubai. This will do as much to crush what's left of the property market, as the economic crisis has already done. It is just a plain stupid policy, with no thought put into it. (It would likely merit a Najm award at EK though.)
Anyhow, it makes no sense to NOT offer a residence visa after purchasing a place in Dubai. This will do as much to crush what's left of the property market, as the economic crisis has already done. It is just a plain stupid policy, with no thought put into it. (It would likely merit a Najm award at EK though.)
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vickers vanguard: Looks like you're one of those guys who got booted from this city recently. What an injustice at the hand of locals! Sad .. I can understand your emotions.
So, how about we talk about the lovely country you reside in currently? Are you telling me there are no flaws in Canada? How does it feel to be a victim of a random racist attack? How does it feel living in a country where drugs and prostitutes are available in public? I'm sure you are enjoying all the perks! A 'devout' Muslim as you call yourself, are you one of those looking for a mosque every Friday at your local gym? Give me a break! There are flaws everywhere! Not everyone's boning a Russian and not all the construction companies are treating laborers badly. In fact, in today's GN article, there's a new law in place where all construction companies will have to provide better accommodation facilities to their workers (LINK). As far as Russian hookers are concerned, they are everywhere, not just Dubai! At least, we are living in a peaceful city with all the luxuries one can ask for! I can walk to a local mosque 5 times a day and not expect to get mobbed the moment I step out.
I've been to Canada and I know how much the life sucks there, and am sure you know it very well too (the list is way too long!). Enjoy whatever you have there before you get kicked out again.
So, how about we talk about the lovely country you reside in currently? Are you telling me there are no flaws in Canada? How does it feel to be a victim of a random racist attack? How does it feel living in a country where drugs and prostitutes are available in public? I'm sure you are enjoying all the perks! A 'devout' Muslim as you call yourself, are you one of those looking for a mosque every Friday at your local gym? Give me a break! There are flaws everywhere! Not everyone's boning a Russian and not all the construction companies are treating laborers badly. In fact, in today's GN article, there's a new law in place where all construction companies will have to provide better accommodation facilities to their workers (LINK). As far as Russian hookers are concerned, they are everywhere, not just Dubai! At least, we are living in a peaceful city with all the luxuries one can ask for! I can walk to a local mosque 5 times a day and not expect to get mobbed the moment I step out.
I've been to Canada and I know how much the life sucks there, and am sure you know it very well too (the list is way too long!). Enjoy whatever you have there before you get kicked out again.
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I think we are going a bit off the topic here... something like: "the dark side of Dubai"
OMDB...
Who told you that? 
Anyway... I still dont understand how people can even try to compare civilized world to 3rd world country with shiny buildings...
OMDB...
not all the construction companies are treating laborers badly
Anyway... I still dont understand how people can even try to compare civilized world to 3rd world country with shiny buildings...
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Liberators=crusaders=Invaders=?
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What makes you think you are living in your own country, you might be the 10th generation of European invaders of North america.......... end of the day it ain't your LAND.
@AL FAKHEM
Those relatively BETTER SH1Ł HOŁE$ pay for the shinny metals of EK. Is it surprising that most of the DXB RE projects targeted at expats were launched immediately after the large orders of EK betn 2001-2003. LAND for AIRCRAFTS.
What makes you think you are living in your own country, you might be the 10th generation of European invaders of North america.......... end of the day it ain't your LAND.
@AL FAKHEM
Those relatively BETTER SH1Ł HOŁE$ pay for the shinny metals of EK. Is it surprising that most of the DXB RE projects targeted at expats were launched immediately after the large orders of EK betn 2001-2003. LAND for AIRCRAFTS.
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Referring to GN as some kind of credible source. Pretending not to see the drugs and the prostitutes. Calling a country where a guy gets assassinated in my parking basement safe. Walking with blinkers... You're not alone DXB-Pilot and that's the scary part. 
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Correct me if I am incorrect.
Gulfstreamnavigator posted about the conditions attached to property puchase in the UAE. It had nothing to do with any other countries good or bad points. I am surprised it took OMDB - PiLoT so long to respond, and most of it off TOPIC. I await the positive SPIN from S.F.L.Y, TAYER and Jet II. to IMHO, a poorly thoughtout way of selling some of the THOUSANDS of unoccupied properties in DUBAI.
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...but why in the world, somebody that can afford a 1 Million $ house, would want to live in the sandpit ?
I have found a simple indicator for being in a 3rd world country:
They ask you at every shop, restaurant etc. "do you have change?"
Works 100%
btw: 5 month and some days till I am outta here!!!
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Jethrotull: That's one of my favorite bands 
Short Approach?: What is a credible news source for you? I never said drugs or prostitutes were not in this country, they are everywhere! In Australia, licensed brothels are at every corner, and in Canada you can grow marijuana at home. I don't see any of that happening here. Don't include isolated incidents and then call this city unsafe. I don't even want to bring the crime rate all over the globe for comparison. The murder, rape, hate crime, violence that happens EVERYDAY in your so called "civilized" nations can never be compared to this country. Stop living in your dream world and learn to see the reality. Dubai has grown from nothing to one of the best cities in the world in such a short span of time. The achievements are praise worthy and if you are blind enough to not see them then you are better off in your own "sh1thole" you came from.
Rule3: Start reading all the posts and you will learn why this thread went off-topic. No need to whine about it. I was merely trying to defend the city I love! BTW, your message was off-topic as well!
Short Approach?: What is a credible news source for you? I never said drugs or prostitutes were not in this country, they are everywhere! In Australia, licensed brothels are at every corner, and in Canada you can grow marijuana at home. I don't see any of that happening here. Don't include isolated incidents and then call this city unsafe. I don't even want to bring the crime rate all over the globe for comparison. The murder, rape, hate crime, violence that happens EVERYDAY in your so called "civilized" nations can never be compared to this country. Stop living in your dream world and learn to see the reality. Dubai has grown from nothing to one of the best cities in the world in such a short span of time. The achievements are praise worthy and if you are blind enough to not see them then you are better off in your own "sh1thole" you came from.
Rule3: Start reading all the posts and you will learn why this thread went off-topic. No need to whine about it. I was merely trying to defend the city I love! BTW, your message was off-topic as well!
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OMDB-PiLoT, I appreciate your passion for Dubai, I enjoyed my time there and will not pass an opinion on the subject.
I would suggest though that you are very very careful about your descriptions of other peoples countries...I understand your desire to defend Dubai but I think it's very clear if this doesn't stop now your in for a serious amount of highly off thread topic abuse...
I say this not in a malicious way but because the descriptions you are casually throwing around about the UK, Australia and Canada are prehaps a little exaggerated in you desire to give as good as you get...
but remember there are going to be some unhappy people with your stories about their home lands, as you are about theirs... prehaps now would be a good time to stop?
I would suggest though that you are very very careful about your descriptions of other peoples countries...I understand your desire to defend Dubai but I think it's very clear if this doesn't stop now your in for a serious amount of highly off thread topic abuse...
I say this not in a malicious way but because the descriptions you are casually throwing around about the UK, Australia and Canada are prehaps a little exaggerated in you desire to give as good as you get...
but remember there are going to be some unhappy people with your stories about their home lands, as you are about theirs... prehaps now would be a good time to stop?
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No defense
for a place like Dubai or the rest of the GCC, they have a very long way to go. Just check out UAE Torture | THIS WEBSITE HAS APPARENTLY BEEN BANNED IN THE UAE BY THE ROYAL FAMILY. to have an idea about the rule of law in the sandpit. 
As far as crime goes, a lot will not be reported and most has to do with the hypocrisy, I mean Dubai is the brothel of the GCC and everyone pretends it does not exist. It is the constant double standard, the abuse of laborers, maids etc which does not happen like this in Europe or in Canada or the US.
In Europe you have lots of brothels and it is the oldest trade in the World, and yes people do grow marihuana in their yard, should they be jailed or stoned for that?
Back to the subject: If someone pays for a property he should at least have the right to reside in the country, again human rights.
As far as crime goes, a lot will not be reported and most has to do with the hypocrisy, I mean Dubai is the brothel of the GCC and everyone pretends it does not exist. It is the constant double standard, the abuse of laborers, maids etc which does not happen like this in Europe or in Canada or the US.In Europe you have lots of brothels and it is the oldest trade in the World, and yes people do grow marihuana in their yard, should they be jailed or stoned for that?
Back to the subject: If someone pays for a property he should at least have the right to reside in the country, again human rights.