Realistic EK upgrades delay ?
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I have seen a number of pilots express dissatisfaction that "their" command would not be when they were "told" it was going to happen.
Constant factors;
1) Usually held a command elsewhere and were eligible for accelerated criteria.
2) Complained about DEC's, yet were prepared to take a command before a more senior FO.
2) Performance was inversely proportional to their own self opinion.
DEC's, Accelerated, DEFO's are a known quantity, but there is an awful lot of talk, and not a lot of walk going on. The humblest individuals always perform better than the postulators simply because they have self belief, know humility, are confident but not cocky, and accept that command will come when Emirates decides it will and no amount of pot banging will make it any earlier. You will annoy your colleagues and make it that much harder for yourself if you do.
I have no idea how long command will be, but I doubt we will ever see 3 years again. 4-5 would be the best that current FO's could hope for. New joiners, make your decision very carefully.
Constant factors;
1) Usually held a command elsewhere and were eligible for accelerated criteria.
2) Complained about DEC's, yet were prepared to take a command before a more senior FO.
2) Performance was inversely proportional to their own self opinion.
DEC's, Accelerated, DEFO's are a known quantity, but there is an awful lot of talk, and not a lot of walk going on. The humblest individuals always perform better than the postulators simply because they have self belief, know humility, are confident but not cocky, and accept that command will come when Emirates decides it will and no amount of pot banging will make it any earlier. You will annoy your colleagues and make it that much harder for yourself if you do.
I have no idea how long command will be, but I doubt we will ever see 3 years again. 4-5 would be the best that current FO's could hope for. New joiners, make your decision very carefully.
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5 years to wait for new joiners. That's a scoop ! 
So better to stay away for a while get some "captain experience", come back and jump the queue.
If already in, "do not complain or it will be harder for you", nice and fair
All good advises from the left seat.
I guess.
DEC's ?
So better to stay away for a while get some "captain experience", come back and jump the queue.
If already in, "do not complain or it will be harder for you", nice and fair
All good advises from the left seat.
I guess.DEC's ?
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If you are in, then you are in. It will come when the time is right (for the company, not necessarily for you!). There is no reason to stress over it, as you cannot influence it. All you can do is prepare yourself as best you can, and make sure that you don't blot your copybook, especially as the FOs are now being more closely watched!!
If you are not in, and are thinking about coming here, the longer time to command merely makes the decision easier. This is no longer a quick jaunt out to the ME for a few years FO then a nice jet command rating. It is becoming a longer term commitment, so if you are trying to sell the Dubai Dream to you better half you will have to do some serious homework or the Dream could well end up as a nightmare.
Most partners are prepared to "give it a go" for a few years, but when the reality of living on a FO salary and not saving as much (or having as much fun) as you'd thought, then things (relationships) can come apart at the seams.
So, before you come, do your own due diligence, and decide if such a working envirnement (for you) and living environment (for you and your family) is surviveable in the medium to long term.
Pretty much as Atiuta says, best case now is 4-5 years for command, but the possibility exists for 6-7 years, particularly as EK starts to achieve market saturation on many of it's first choice routes, and is not too keen to take on the thinner destinations.
If you are not in, and are thinking about coming here, the longer time to command merely makes the decision easier. This is no longer a quick jaunt out to the ME for a few years FO then a nice jet command rating. It is becoming a longer term commitment, so if you are trying to sell the Dubai Dream to you better half you will have to do some serious homework or the Dream could well end up as a nightmare.
Most partners are prepared to "give it a go" for a few years, but when the reality of living on a FO salary and not saving as much (or having as much fun) as you'd thought, then things (relationships) can come apart at the seams.
So, before you come, do your own due diligence, and decide if such a working envirnement (for you) and living environment (for you and your family) is surviveable in the medium to long term.
Pretty much as Atiuta says, best case now is 4-5 years for command, but the possibility exists for 6-7 years, particularly as EK starts to achieve market saturation on many of it's first choice routes, and is not too keen to take on the thinner destinations.
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I detect a speculative slur beneath your post. Precisely the behaviour that provided the substantive evidence for my post.
Your advice re jumping the que is interesting. The inference is that given a similar opportunity for yourself, you wouldn't take the opportunity? Sure.
None of us need to test our memories that hard to identify tumultuous individuals that are incapable of producing the results. Do those same individuals receive assistance from their colleagues? Not a chance, therefore by their own actions they make it harder for themselves.
Five years to command for new joiners is your claim, not mine.
It is good ADVICE, doesn't matter which seat it's from.
I'm not a DEC, wouldn't matter if I was.
I detect a speculative slur beneath your post. Precisely the behaviour that provided the substantive evidence for my post.
Your advice re jumping the que is interesting. The inference is that given a similar opportunity for yourself, you wouldn't take the opportunity? Sure.
None of us need to test our memories that hard to identify tumultuous individuals that are incapable of producing the results. Do those same individuals receive assistance from their colleagues? Not a chance, therefore by their own actions they make it harder for themselves.
Five years to command for new joiners is your claim, not mine.
It is good ADVICE, doesn't matter which seat it's from.
I'm not a DEC, wouldn't matter if I was.
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Tumultuous incapable individual yourself !
I have same right as you to do post here but you do not have the right to insult me.
Even if it's easy from your keyboard.
Tumultuous incapable individual yourself !
I have same right as you to do post here but you do not have the right to insult me.
Even if it's easy from your keyboard.
