Realistic EK upgrades delay ?
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So, FD is now considered an alter ego? Give me a break.......Is Etihad an alter ego? How about Air Arabia? Is EK a unionized airline that competes on a level playing field with all the US and European Airlines? Oh that's right, EK is just another government owned and supported airline! I could understand using the term alter ego if flydubai was starting up with 777s or even A330s that were being transferred from EK, but its not. Its going to fly narrow body equipment.
It appears there will be little in the way of synergy's between EK and FD.
For starters, FD will use Terminal 2 on the other side of the airport. Home of the great-unwashed.
Also EK has/had anti-poaching agreements for flight-deck in place, in various guises, with other GCC airlines. What makes you think they would poach from themselves?
halas
For starters, FD will use Terminal 2 on the other side of the airport. Home of the great-unwashed.
Also EK has/had anti-poaching agreements for flight-deck in place, in various guises, with other GCC airlines. What makes you think they would poach from themselves?
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3/ If Emirates takes one new aircraft every month for the next 10 years someone joining now will upgrade in 10 years. Do the math(s).
Only trouble with your theory whossorrynow, is that if Airbus had its sh!te together, EK would be receiving 2 a/c per month..
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2. Monthly salary of a year 4/5/6/7 F/O becoming CA at year 4/5/6/7 pay, ......................
B738 to fly a B773. After all, they're both "heavy" jets
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Admittedly I have no idea what the 757 is classified in the rest of the world, but the FAA does NOT classify a 757-200 as a "heavy". It does classify the 757-300 as "heavy". One will not get a five mile separation from a -200, but will a -300. But any variation of a 737 a heavy; I don't think so. Again, I'm talking FAA standards not JAR ops.
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They flow of pilots could also go the other way
1. FO in FlyDubai, then
2. FO in EK, then
3. !st command in FlyDubai, then
4. 2nd command in EK
All cadets start in FD to get experience....
1. FO in FlyDubai, then
2. FO in EK, then
3. !st command in FlyDubai, then
4. 2nd command in EK
All cadets start in FD to get experience....
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Unfortunately I don't think it is going to happen....they all want to fly "BIG aeroplane"....
He said he is going to join cadets only if he get to start as a cpt. on B777...
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Think
If one will put up a business, the owner would want definitely an identity for its product or services. It is through this way, that competition starts.
If a businessman owns company A, and wanted to put up company B. He brings out the money, starts the recruitment and runs the business as he always wanted it to be. Not a competitor to Company A,but an extension.
If I am the businessman, and Company B is no good for me anymore. I will declare bankruptcy,shut it down, pay separation to my employees and send them home.
Why will I insert them to my company A, its a full house? I have no need for them. I will promise to keep their files, thats the best I can do. Send them home with the false hope that I will recall them the next day.
So, for the EK guys. Dont worry yourselves too much. Think like a businessman.
Tomorrow the Sun will shine again, I can bet my one month salary for that, and if ever I lose, Im sure we'll see each other somewhere.
If a businessman owns company A, and wanted to put up company B. He brings out the money, starts the recruitment and runs the business as he always wanted it to be. Not a competitor to Company A,but an extension.
If I am the businessman, and Company B is no good for me anymore. I will declare bankruptcy,shut it down, pay separation to my employees and send them home.
Why will I insert them to my company A, its a full house? I have no need for them. I will promise to keep their files, thats the best I can do. Send them home with the false hope that I will recall them the next day.
So, for the EK guys. Dont worry yourselves too much. Think like a businessman.
Tomorrow the Sun will shine again, I can bet my one month salary for that, and if ever I lose, Im sure we'll see each other somewhere.
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I want the 30 seconds back for reading the last post. What the 
was that about?
FD is a separate airline. No cross over, no dove-tailing but I like Payscales idea, makes good sense - cadet pilot hiring to get experience.
I'm sure the 777 upgrades will slow but not as slow as the Airbus. I'd say currently 4-5 for the 777, which is still very good and 5-6 for the Airbus. Guys hired now and in the next year, it's just too hard to say...
was that about?FD is a separate airline. No cross over, no dove-tailing but I like Payscales idea, makes good sense - cadet pilot hiring to get experience.
I'm sure the 777 upgrades will slow but not as slow as the Airbus. I'd say currently 4-5 for the 777, which is still very good and 5-6 for the Airbus. Guys hired now and in the next year, it's just too hard to say...
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1 fact - this year 2009/10 32 upgrades on the Bus and 31 on the 777, I'm going to bet no DEC's so have a look at the list and see where that puts you. The AB list is on the protal without dates, alot more cadets are coming up for their upgrade (6000 hrs) which you can see on the bus list, not sure about the 777
Good luck
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If the original question was referring to a 'new-hire' upgrade timeframe, it is impossible to know for sure. I hate to burst any bubbles, but a MINIMUM 6 years would probably be a reasonable estimate.
1-growth has slowed and probably will remain slower than originally forcast
2-not as many pilots leaving due to worldwide events, but that will change
3-many, many cadets will achieve the required prerequisites for command before new-hires
4-DEC's will continue, there is no reason other than wishful thinking, to believe otherwise
1-growth has slowed and probably will remain slower than originally forcast
2-not as many pilots leaving due to worldwide events, but that will change
3-many, many cadets will achieve the required prerequisites for command before new-hires
4-DEC's will continue, there is no reason other than wishful thinking, to believe otherwise