Visionaries?
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From: united arab emirates
For anyone trying to draw parrallels to Abu Graib etc. Why not refer to Hitler or Atillah the Hun. !!! Lets get real here. No one condones the despicable acts in IRAQ. But we are talking about day to day life in the UAE and not in a war zone !!!!
This is despicable and he will get away with it.
This is despicable and he will get away with it.
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From: Tween Hurn&Filton
Odd how there is such outrage in the US regarding this incident, yet less outrage over worse atrocities which were encouraged and condoned by the US government. Sometimes I wonder if this really is the 21st Century.
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From: Up north
Guys, I don't agree with most of the stuff that came out of the GWB admin over the past 8 years. Having said that, I am more then a bit surprised by some of the replies here on this subject.
Why some of you jump on the Americans and the American policies on Iraq and Afghanistan etc is beyond me. I hear no one comparing the issue with Hitler, telling Germans, or other European nationals, to get off their high horses and stop being moral preachers, how come?
Does the fact that U.S. and their allies used very questionable interrogation methods in some way validate the barbaric treatment of a human being that we see here?
fourgolds made a very valid point as well. Are you guys seriously comparing wrongs committed in wars and interrogations of potential terrorists with what this video is displaying?
CP
Why some of you jump on the Americans and the American policies on Iraq and Afghanistan etc is beyond me. I hear no one comparing the issue with Hitler, telling Germans, or other European nationals, to get off their high horses and stop being moral preachers, how come?
Does the fact that U.S. and their allies used very questionable interrogation methods in some way validate the barbaric treatment of a human being that we see here?
fourgolds made a very valid point as well. Are you guys seriously comparing wrongs committed in wars and interrogations of potential terrorists with what this video is displaying?
CP
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From: wherever I can fly for money!
But we are talking about day to day life in the UAE and not in a war zone !!!!
Why some of you jump on the Americans and the American policies on Iraq and Afghanistan etc is beyond me. I hear no one comparing the issue with Hitler, telling Germans, or other European nationals, to get off their high horses and stop being moral preachers, how come?
It was an abuse of power and a show of influence and imposition of domination to acheive personal gains and to accomplish savage plans...the amount of anger and hatered it has poisoned the world with is enormous enough to keep people sleeping with one eye open!!
So to all of those who condemn that Sheikh...I agree with you..but you better be going after the real killers and the most dangerous ones back in your respective countries and bring them to justice prior to looking for the small nasty rats elsewhere!
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From: Raincoast
The ABC video presentation left me stunned 'n saddened. Been in these parts for nigh on 13 years and this is a new low.
Don't ferget that the UAE is the same nation which forked over 100 Million USD to the City of New Orleans, Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina. That carnage was ignored by a serving president and his cronies!
One mentally unwell degenerate don't make a bad nation any more than Fritzl makes Austrians bad... he won't make me stop listenin' t Mozart!
It's too bad they weren't pickin' on Maddof or some other wall street sheister... instead of some guy who ripped off a load of grain worth a measely 5000 USD. Then I'd clap!
Don't ferget that the UAE is the same nation which forked over 100 Million USD to the City of New Orleans, Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina. That carnage was ignored by a serving president and his cronies!
One mentally unwell degenerate don't make a bad nation any more than Fritzl makes Austrians bad... he won't make me stop listenin' t Mozart!
It's too bad they weren't pickin' on Maddof or some other wall street sheister... instead of some guy who ripped off a load of grain worth a measely 5000 USD. Then I'd clap!
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
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From: Chabanais, France
That carnage was ignored by a serving president and his cronies!
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From: Post-Pit and Lovin' It.
No one that lives in Dubai or the UAE is remotely surprised at this video. It's only the most extreme example of the mindset that prevails.
But what is more interesting to me, and more loathesome, is the instant rush to defensive, whiny, blame-deflecting attempts to avoid taking an ounce of responsibility. That, more than the actions on the video, epitomizes the "culture". Never, ever accepting blame, taking accountability. Blame the Americans. Try to draw ludicrous, irrelevant parallels. Deflect, deny. Completely cowardly. The internet must drive the perfumed ones crazy, as it draws the curtain back on (at least some) of the perversion that goes on. No more secrets.
It is a mindset that only prompts contempt and complete lack of respect. And why the region will never achieve greatness.
But what is more interesting to me, and more loathesome, is the instant rush to defensive, whiny, blame-deflecting attempts to avoid taking an ounce of responsibility. That, more than the actions on the video, epitomizes the "culture". Never, ever accepting blame, taking accountability. Blame the Americans. Try to draw ludicrous, irrelevant parallels. Deflect, deny. Completely cowardly. The internet must drive the perfumed ones crazy, as it draws the curtain back on (at least some) of the perversion that goes on. No more secrets.
It is a mindset that only prompts contempt and complete lack of respect. And why the region will never achieve greatness.
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From: DXB
With more educated responsible leaders I'm not sure the GCCs would be benefit the way it does to some western countries and I'm not sure they want these things to change in order to keep selling cars, planes and weapons in the region against cheap oil. The Iranian/shia threat might also help GCCs to need western countries military support...
I guess supporting (and spoiling) such irresponsible persons is part of the price to pay in order to make good business and good business doesn't care about human rights. It's partly because of these facts that many of us enjoyed good packages in the past few years.
I guess supporting (and spoiling) such irresponsible persons is part of the price to pay in order to make good business and good business doesn't care about human rights. It's partly because of these facts that many of us enjoyed good packages in the past few years.
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From: Sandpit
Disgusting
is the word, I saw this video probably 6 month ago or more, and yes it is disgusting and having lived in the sand pit for years I was not a bit surprised. 
That is the reality in a Third World country with a dictatorship. Will he get punished? I doubt it since these thugs get away with everything around here, killing your wife or some poor Asian that is crossing the street or a maid beaten to death. Face it guys, that is the place we live in.
I have to agree also with mensaboy regarding the Bush administration,Abu Graib and the CIA torture camps and rendition flights, no doubt a larger crime against humanity and of course Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld will walk free today.
But one wrong doesn't make another one right. But what can the citizens of the UAE do against the corrupt royal family. Sick and sad story.
That is the reality in a Third World country with a dictatorship. Will he get punished? I doubt it since these thugs get away with everything around here, killing your wife or some poor Asian that is crossing the street or a maid beaten to death. Face it guys, that is the place we live in. I have to agree also with mensaboy regarding the Bush administration,Abu Graib and the CIA torture camps and rendition flights, no doubt a larger crime against humanity and of course Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld will walk free today.
But one wrong doesn't make another one right. But what can the citizens of the UAE do against the corrupt royal family. Sick and sad story.
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From: Itinerant
Ozymandias returns . . .
silveR5 -- Care to elaborate on why you think nolimitholdem's post was "incorrect twisted analysis"?
Without an explanation your words sound surprisiingly similar to the short and sweet sound-bites of the media in the GCC, or government officials, or corporate CEO's, or anyone else whose job it is to deny or deflect. But we never get more than those brief few words of denial; never a substantive argument. Where is yours?
Grizzled
Without an explanation your words sound surprisiingly similar to the short and sweet sound-bites of the media in the GCC, or government officials, or corporate CEO's, or anyone else whose job it is to deny or deflect. But we never get more than those brief few words of denial; never a substantive argument. Where is yours?
Grizzled
