EK A380's...
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EK A380's...
Does anyone have any insight on the delivery status of EK's A380's???
Rumour has it the company is trying to delay the other 3 deliveries for 2009. Apparently managemant has even gone to Airbus requesting the delays. Sighting light load factors.
Any truth to it or is all BS?? Anyone know if the deliveries are still on schedule?
Rumour has it the company is trying to delay the other 3 deliveries for 2009. Apparently managemant has even gone to Airbus requesting the delays. Sighting light load factors.
Any truth to it or is all BS?? Anyone know if the deliveries are still on schedule?
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Originally planned 2 in November and 2 in December but Airbus can't meet this delivery schedule so revised to 1 in November and 1 in December. The other 2 will follow early 2010 ie: ???January and February???
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EK002 dropped a load of baggage on the runway in DXB after landing - baggage door opened during landing!!!!!!
Apologies to those stuck in the hold, those that had to divert, and last but not least, passengers with road rash baggage.
With the amount of problems experienced with these "beauties", I won't be surprised if EK is more than happy to defer further deliveries!
Apologies to those stuck in the hold, those that had to divert, and last but not least, passengers with road rash baggage.
With the amount of problems experienced with these "beauties", I won't be surprised if EK is more than happy to defer further deliveries!
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Even before any of the debacles of the last few months had occurred I suggested starting a pool to see who could guess how many of the ludicrous devices we would end up with. I'll hazard it is something in single digits.
The entire project 'twas never more than the latest excrescence of Gallic hubris.
If you think this thing could ever make money, please select a Gabi flight plan and let me know what you propose. It is a pointless device.
The entire project 'twas never more than the latest excrescence of Gallic hubris.
If you think this thing could ever make money, please select a Gabi flight plan and let me know what you propose. It is a pointless device.
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Oh come on... An A380 does not carry baggage as bulk. And even if the cargo door WOULD open, containers don't just take a hike.
It was an ECAM warning and as EK2 arrives at night, someone had to inspect the runway.
By the way: There is no such thing as a GABI flight plan (at least not at EK). Back to transition training, don't pass START, don't collect AED 4000.--
It was an ECAM warning and as EK2 arrives at night, someone had to inspect the runway.
By the way: There is no such thing as a GABI flight plan (at least not at EK). Back to transition training, don't pass START, don't collect AED 4000.--
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. They will take all 58. Not to worry, they will make money, lots of it. 
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The result of the EK02 hold door indication problem was four go-arounds, all departures stopped for 15 mins and one Ek diversion afaik. The funniest thing was Emirates bods phoning to demand the reason for the delay on their outbounds, are these people robots?
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Just recieved word that the A380 deliveries scheduled for fall of 2009 have been postponed till sometime in mid 2010. Very reliable source.
Looks like the guys going back will be there for a while. Prob will stay and do their command there. Wouldnt make much sense to retrain them back on the A380 again. Would be a waste of time and money.
Looks like the guys going back will be there for a while. Prob will stay and do their command there. Wouldnt make much sense to retrain them back on the A380 again. Would be a waste of time and money.
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Drop the pilot- 135 more 3 class seats on a 380- fill them and you get far more YIELD than a 777
Last 2 Flts ( 777 / 380 ):
Pax load factors both ~ 58%, payload factor ~ 70% (both similar mix F/J/Y)
kg fuel vs. kg transported 777: 2.58 380: 3.73
hypothetically filled to max payload: (777 restr. by ~ 5t)
burn vs. (max) pax 777: 0.31 380: 0.37
burn vs. (max) kg transport. 777: 2.06 380: 2.75
These values show more than 20% more specific burn on the actually configured A380. The yield must be astronomical on the additional J and F class passengers to cover that!
I guess wishfull thinking.
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What or when is the "fall of 2009"??
Is it a "stateside" thing? I notice Ed uses the term sometimes. The start of the year? The end of the year? A season?? Do we even have seasons in the UAE? (other than hot and not-hot)......
Is it a "stateside" thing? I notice Ed uses the term sometimes. The start of the year? The end of the year? A season?? Do we even have seasons in the UAE? (other than hot and not-hot)......
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None of us can determine which aircraft is more economical because we are not provided with enough information. Your logic seems reasonable but there are other costs, such as maintenance, dispatch reliability, initial procurement costs, extra crew costs, just to give a few examples.
Based simply on fuel vs load, the A380 might be more economical provided the load factors are high. I suspect a B777 is more cost effective at 80% load factor than an A380 at 80% load factor. Isn't fuel about 30% of an airlines cost, with employee costs running a close second? The cost of fuel varies wildly too, such as in the past year.
My whole point, is that only a few of the bean-counters and the bosses really know which aircraft types are performing the best. I would bet though, the B777 surpasses any Airbus type when it comes to economics.
As an aside, can anyone give a reasonable explanation why statistics show that Airbus pilots generally take more 'additional' fuel than their Boeing counterparts? It might be something as simple as the differences in route structure, but I have often wondered about the discrepancy.
Based simply on fuel vs load, the A380 might be more economical provided the load factors are high. I suspect a B777 is more cost effective at 80% load factor than an A380 at 80% load factor. Isn't fuel about 30% of an airlines cost, with employee costs running a close second? The cost of fuel varies wildly too, such as in the past year.
My whole point, is that only a few of the bean-counters and the bosses really know which aircraft types are performing the best. I would bet though, the B777 surpasses any Airbus type when it comes to economics.
As an aside, can anyone give a reasonable explanation why statistics show that Airbus pilots generally take more 'additional' fuel than their Boeing counterparts? It might be something as simple as the differences in route structure, but I have often wondered about the discrepancy.
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