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Question :
1)Is there a CRM course in QA and is it conducted with cabin crew or separate ? Is there any person from top management in CRM class ?
2)How is A320 roster ? Is it bad as all people in PPRUNE say or its nice ?
3)What about leave ? Do you get what you request ?
4)What about provident fond in QA ?
5)Are you alowed to buy a house in Qatar or you have to live in company accomodation ?
6)IS QA ailrine one of airline which try to save money on pilots but end up spending more due to Capt and F/O anger
7)How many F/O s get true command since start ?
8)Who has more influance in airline commander or purser ?
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1)Is there a CRM course in QA and is it conducted with cabin crew or separate ? Is there any person from top management in CRM class ?
2)How is A320 roster ? Is it bad as all people in PPRUNE say or its nice ?
3)What about leave ? Do you get what you request ?
4)What about provident fond in QA ?
5)Are you alowed to buy a house in Qatar or you have to live in company accomodation ?
6)IS QA ailrine one of airline which try to save money on pilots but end up spending more due to Capt and F/O anger
7)How many F/O s get true command since start ?
8)Who has more influance in airline commander or purser ?
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Question :
1)Is there a CRM course in QA and is it conducted with cabin crew or separate ?
Both together. But most of the cabin crew don't know how to speak english and keep quiet
Is there any person from top management in CRM class ?
I never saw any.There's no suck think of CRM in Qatar,for instance only the CSD and F2 are allowed to get into the cockpit.
2)How is A320 roster ?
****HOLE , minimum rest night flight
Is it bad as all people in PPRUNE say or its nice ?
Is even worst,just ask anybody who is still flying there.
3)What about leave ? IF you go early yes,if you don't,wait for the next year, July,August, December ,january very unlikely.
Do you get what you request ? Depend on what u request ,as i told if u request DEC,JAN =,JUL or AUG.
4)What about provident fond in QA ? WHAT? There's no suck thing in AL QATARIA.
5)Are you alowed to buy a house in Qatar or you have to live in company accomodation ?
Buy A house? Man is @*#$#@*_@ expensive or rent ? Rent now not allowed used to be 10k for F/O 13K for Captains , u got the company accommodation or company accommodation.
6)IS QA ailrine one of airline which try to save money on pilots but end up spending more due to Capt and F/O anger ?
Qatar is always hiring because people are leaving as we speak. It's a nice place ,very close to hell,u can meet Little Lucifer out there.He lives in the 9th floor.
7)How many F/O s get true command since start ?
Man, is that a joke?
8)Who has more influEnce in airline = commander or purser ?
Purser has the power to report you. Commander knows how to fly,so...
Need answers? U got it my friend. IF you wanna destroy ur life. Apply to Qatar Airways
Question :
1)Is there a CRM course in QA and is it conducted with cabin crew or separate ?
Both together. But most of the cabin crew don't know how to speak english and keep quiet
Is there any person from top management in CRM class ?
I never saw any.There's no suck think of CRM in Qatar,for instance only the CSD and F2 are allowed to get into the cockpit.
2)How is A320 roster ?
****HOLE , minimum rest night flight
Is it bad as all people in PPRUNE say or its nice ?
Is even worst,just ask anybody who is still flying there.
3)What about leave ? IF you go early yes,if you don't,wait for the next year, July,August, December ,january very unlikely.
Do you get what you request ? Depend on what u request ,as i told if u request DEC,JAN =,JUL or AUG.
4)What about provident fond in QA ? WHAT? There's no suck thing in AL QATARIA.
5)Are you alowed to buy a house in Qatar or you have to live in company accomodation ?
Buy A house? Man is @*#$#@*_@ expensive or rent ? Rent now not allowed used to be 10k for F/O 13K for Captains , u got the company accommodation or company accommodation.
6)IS QA ailrine one of airline which try to save money on pilots but end up spending more due to Capt and F/O anger ?
Qatar is always hiring because people are leaving as we speak. It's a nice place ,very close to hell,u can meet Little Lucifer out there.He lives in the 9th floor.
7)How many F/O s get true command since start ?
Man, is that a joke?
8)Who has more influEnce in airline = commander or purser ?
Purser has the power to report you. Commander knows how to fly,so...
Need answers? U got it my friend. IF you wanna destroy ur life. Apply to Qatar Airways
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Krugerflap, I understand you are pissed and probably rightfully so, we all are after a certain time for sure.
But please do not make it worse than it already is. By telling people the truth, which by the way an many aspects is bad enough, you will do us all a much better service than when spitting out emotional blabber!
1) A320 roster --> The most demanding roster in this airline as it is full of night turnarounds etc. Expect 70Hrs flying time and 160hrs duty time as an average. Warning: you are only paid by sheduled blocktime, so the extra duty time is a gift to the company.
Future should be better with more airplanes coming and more European destinations added to the A320 network due to economical downturn.
2) pprune can give you a general idea about what is going on. Afterwards you will have to draw your own conclusion. But do not believe everything you read here, it is a rumour network and most people posting here are upset and disgruntled!
3) Leave is allocated based on seniority and family situation. That being said, keep in mind that the major source of frustration in this airline is the way sheduling department (and thus leave allocation) is being managed . There is no fairness in rosters, there is no normal bidding system and the pilot who knows the person in charge of his rosters the best, will get the nicest rosters while the others are flying the S*%*T routes! Rostering is an abolute disgrace overhere, especially on the A320 fleet!
DEC-JAN and JUL-AUG are in general un-obtainable for new joiners, unless you pay the right amount to the right person! (Joke but not too far of from the truth!)
4) Provident fund. Has been promised to us for over 5 years now and still we havent seen/heard anything from it. So answer: NO!
5) You are allowed to buy a house, if you are CRAZY enough to do that! As a new joiner you will be forced to live in company accomodation with no chance to move out, so that means no Housing allowance for you. In any case, we all feel by the tips of our toes that our management is making plans to reduce the housing allowance in the nearby future and to even abandon it totally in a couple of years!
So go and buy your overproced house in Qatar, but do not count on your housing allowance at all to pay for it!
6) Command. Last year about 25 FO's got their command here. Command upgrade is happening but painstakingly slowly, at a rate of 4/month average. At the moment there are almost 600 FOs in front of you so....GOOD LUCK!
7) Purser can report you, but lately this backfired on some of them heavily. Personally I do not give a rats ass aboutall this. Treat people nicely, and they will in most cases treat you very nice in return. The few rotten apples still in the basket are slowly but surely being erradicated. (Cfr the blacklist on this forum)
But please do not make it worse than it already is. By telling people the truth, which by the way an many aspects is bad enough, you will do us all a much better service than when spitting out emotional blabber!
1) A320 roster --> The most demanding roster in this airline as it is full of night turnarounds etc. Expect 70Hrs flying time and 160hrs duty time as an average. Warning: you are only paid by sheduled blocktime, so the extra duty time is a gift to the company.
Future should be better with more airplanes coming and more European destinations added to the A320 network due to economical downturn.
2) pprune can give you a general idea about what is going on. Afterwards you will have to draw your own conclusion. But do not believe everything you read here, it is a rumour network and most people posting here are upset and disgruntled!
3) Leave is allocated based on seniority and family situation. That being said, keep in mind that the major source of frustration in this airline is the way sheduling department (and thus leave allocation) is being managed . There is no fairness in rosters, there is no normal bidding system and the pilot who knows the person in charge of his rosters the best, will get the nicest rosters while the others are flying the S*%*T routes! Rostering is an abolute disgrace overhere, especially on the A320 fleet!
DEC-JAN and JUL-AUG are in general un-obtainable for new joiners, unless you pay the right amount to the right person! (Joke but not too far of from the truth!)
4) Provident fund. Has been promised to us for over 5 years now and still we havent seen/heard anything from it. So answer: NO!
5) You are allowed to buy a house, if you are CRAZY enough to do that! As a new joiner you will be forced to live in company accomodation with no chance to move out, so that means no Housing allowance for you. In any case, we all feel by the tips of our toes that our management is making plans to reduce the housing allowance in the nearby future and to even abandon it totally in a couple of years!
So go and buy your overproced house in Qatar, but do not count on your housing allowance at all to pay for it!
6) Command. Last year about 25 FO's got their command here. Command upgrade is happening but painstakingly slowly, at a rate of 4/month average. At the moment there are almost 600 FOs in front of you so....GOOD LUCK!
7) Purser can report you, but lately this backfired on some of them heavily. Personally I do not give a rats ass aboutall this. Treat people nicely, and they will in most cases treat you very nice in return. The few rotten apples still in the basket are slowly but surely being erradicated. (Cfr the blacklist on this forum)
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indeed Pupy we have "great" CRM here...
If a cabin crew got Harassed by one of the passenger(and this happens more than we might think,excpecially in this part of the world), and complains to the captain,the Answer she might recieve by one of our so called captain Is: "well i hope you enjoyed,because this is part of your job!"
(true fact!), or if the involved passenger is an Arab "brother" of the CPT, they(cpt+passenger) will start greeting each other and blame the cabin crew for her "provocative" attitude...!!!(true fact!)
Great CRM isn't it...!
If a cabin crew got Harassed by one of the passenger(and this happens more than we might think,excpecially in this part of the world), and complains to the captain,the Answer she might recieve by one of our so called captain Is: "well i hope you enjoyed,because this is part of your job!"
(true fact!), or if the involved passenger is an Arab "brother" of the CPT, they(cpt+passenger) will start greeting each other and blame the cabin crew for her "provocative" attitude...!!!(true fact!)Great CRM isn't it...!
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All above mentioned is 99% true only small change since 14 days is that CRM is separate for flight deck crew and cabin crew it has been intructed from 9 floor to do so as cabin crew and pilots should not mix as in airplane as well on ground .
All above mentioned is 99% true only small change since 14 days is that CRM is separate for flight deck crew and cabin crew it has been intructed from 9 floor to do so as cabin crew and pilots should not mix as in airplane as well on ground .
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Similar question about rosters for the 777 fleet. Can someone give an overview of what a monthly schedule might look like on the 777 fleet? How many trips? How many Transatlantic crossings? Also, how much rest time on a trip to NYC, IAH and IAD?
I have a mate with significant 757/767 time who is thinking about applying (even with all this negativity).
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I have a mate with significant 757/767 time who is thinking about applying (even with all this negativity).
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I must say that u are a bit late. With the constant flow from Indian and other Nice drivers coming from Singapore is gonna be hard to get a spot with only the 67/57 type.
Roster in 777 is a mix of two USA ,WASHINGTON,HOUSTON or JFK and some short hauls over the middle east or if u get luck Incredible India.(The clean city of Delhi.
But they got some europe lately and even MANILA ,so A330 is losing the power and B777 is paving the way for the BEST FLEET and BEST NETWORK to be. The problem is the Company and the place u will gonna be based. I don't need to coment on that matter.
Roster in 777 is a mix of two USA ,WASHINGTON,HOUSTON or JFK and some short hauls over the middle east or if u get luck Incredible India.(The clean city of Delhi.
But they got some europe lately and even MANILA ,so A330 is losing the power and B777 is paving the way for the BEST FLEET and BEST NETWORK to be. The problem is the Company and the place u will gonna be based. I don't need to coment on that matter.
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any chance for above 45
i have 1200 hrs on bus (320) and am 48 i presume there is no chance of interveiw for above 45 ,am i correct??
thanks for any replies and good luck to all the ne
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thanks for any replies and good luck to all the ne
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Not only leave cancelled without notice, change in roster, days off cancelled, displaced...without any advice, call or request to the crew before....Very cheap/poor human consideration§professionalism in this department.
Might be wrong but it seems that on 320 they try slowly but surely to reintroduce the sh.. and dangerous roster pattern...7 days on duty, night flight turnaround with minimum rest..., i guess the promises we recieved a few month ago was just another carrot agitated in front of pilot´s noses!
hopefuly i´m wrong.
Not only leave cancelled without notice, change in roster, days off cancelled, displaced...without any advice, call or request to the crew before....Very cheap/poor human consideration§professionalism in this department.
Might be wrong but it seems that on 320 they try slowly but surely to reintroduce the sh.. and dangerous roster pattern...7 days on duty, night flight turnaround with minimum rest..., i guess the promises we recieved a few month ago was just another carrot agitated in front of pilot´s noses!
hopefuly i´m wrong.
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A320 roster
Rostering department in last 2 y did not do anything but make roster more on unsafe side . Minimum rest became every day practice ,off days or flights request are stopped by CP stating that A320 planner can not do it all since A320 has a lot of training ( like if A330 dont have but they still could request off days and flights)
As someone already stated : Sandeep tell roster what to do while H.F is told by roster what they can not do.
The new rostering chief Mr P.M send us all note that in Sept 2008 Jeppes. system will be in full in function and what we can see today ? Fact is the same perfect system ( as per P.M ) can not do any roster without violations, can not allocate the leave ( should be done in Nov. but has been done in March) .
A320 pilots taking more sick leave then ever before ( somthing in the air smells or roster smells )
I meet a Capt on A320 told me he had minimum rest and he is just reporting for Kathmandu ( i wouldnt send my familly on that flight)
QR ROSTER is so bad last 2 y that we lost a number of good people which couldnt take it any more due to roster .( guess its expencive as well )
P.M and his F/O Frazer + there CSD Khartoom beauty can not handle QR roster and i am so sure there will be a major change .
O when do we start Melburne ??
As someone already stated : Sandeep tell roster what to do while H.F is told by roster what they can not do.
The new rostering chief Mr P.M send us all note that in Sept 2008 Jeppes. system will be in full in function and what we can see today ? Fact is the same perfect system ( as per P.M ) can not do any roster without violations, can not allocate the leave ( should be done in Nov. but has been done in March) .
A320 pilots taking more sick leave then ever before ( somthing in the air smells or roster smells )
I meet a Capt on A320 told me he had minimum rest and he is just reporting for Kathmandu ( i wouldnt send my familly on that flight)
QR ROSTER is so bad last 2 y that we lost a number of good people which couldnt take it any more due to roster .( guess its expencive as well )
P.M and his F/O Frazer + there CSD Khartoom beauty can not handle QR roster and i am so sure there will be a major change .
O when do we start Melburne ??
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I guess there is only one thing we can do when this sort of planning is re-introduced!
Write ASR’s again concerning crew fatigue! With the new system it is even easier now, you can write an ASR at home while watching a game and having a drink!
P.M. is a big joke and a dishonest person. He does not care about the crew, the safety of this airline or its reputation in case of an incident. All he cares about is his own personal career and well-being! He is trying so hard to impress his superiors that it has become pathetic!
And the sad part of it all is that even although he managed to completely F%$K-up the 2009 leave planning, he apparently is getting promoted to even higher altitudes in the QR tower… Strategical planning or revenue management, not too sure which one it is but he IS moving up!
This shows us once more that in order to advance in this outfit, you better not be the professional you claimed to be in the first place. The NITWITS will move on anyway!
People to watch out for in this airline because they are amateurs behaving erratically and dangerous are:
P.M.
J.G.
R.F.
All of them where hated in their previous company, all of them will do anything possible to screw the flight crew, none of them has the professional credentials they should have to do the job they where hired for, all of them where either fired/asked to resign in their previous company because of the damage they inflicted!
Write ASR’s again concerning crew fatigue! With the new system it is even easier now, you can write an ASR at home while watching a game and having a drink!
P.M. is a big joke and a dishonest person. He does not care about the crew, the safety of this airline or its reputation in case of an incident. All he cares about is his own personal career and well-being! He is trying so hard to impress his superiors that it has become pathetic!
And the sad part of it all is that even although he managed to completely F%$K-up the 2009 leave planning, he apparently is getting promoted to even higher altitudes in the QR tower… Strategical planning or revenue management, not too sure which one it is but he IS moving up!
This shows us once more that in order to advance in this outfit, you better not be the professional you claimed to be in the first place. The NITWITS will move on anyway!
People to watch out for in this airline because they are amateurs behaving erratically and dangerous are:
P.M.
J.G.
R.F.
All of them where hated in their previous company, all of them will do anything possible to screw the flight crew, none of them has the professional credentials they should have to do the job they where hired for, all of them where either fired/asked to resign in their previous company because of the damage they inflicted!
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P.M.
The really good thing about the Leave planning and the people that deal with it, is their accessibility and communications skills. P.M. is the beacon to follow ......
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DOH!
I've flown as pax on several QR flights but never again...
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...6-doh-kul.html
Heard many similar stories from friends and colleagues, QR is a no star airline.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...6-doh-kul.html
Heard many similar stories from friends and colleagues, QR is a no star airline.
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The leave cannot be handled by Mr. P.M.. As usual Cabin crew was assigined
to rostering to handle leave for Cabin crew bravo Mr.P.M. your brilliant jeppesen system has failed and cost airline additional money.
5 Flight deck crew had to push priority button and fix the leave mess done by Mr. P.M. and Mr.F....,also number of cabin crew became ambassdors of roster instead serving coffee and tea, They spend time to roster job
Remember your memo in June 08, your jeppesen system was supposed to be fully operational in Sep 08. Now we are approaching 9 months behind schedule.even a new baby become fully grown.Maybe Mr. P.M and R.F can be the first passengers in the inaguaral flight to MEL
. As usual Cabin crew was assigined to rostering to handle leave for Cabin crew bravo Mr.P.M. your brilliant jeppesen system has failed and cost airline additional money.5 Flight deck crew had to push priority button and fix the leave mess done by Mr. P.M. and Mr.F....,also number of cabin crew became ambassdors of roster instead serving coffee and tea, They spend time to roster job
Remember your memo in June 08, your jeppesen system was supposed to be fully operational in Sep 08. Now we are approaching 9 months behind schedule.even a new baby become fully grown.Maybe Mr. P.M and R.F can be the first passengers in the inaguaral flight to MEL
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Don't tell me about this Memo, a piece of Sh..!
-5 or 6 days duty max : WRONG! back to 7 days duty.
-No night flight after minimum rest(when you land in the morning): WRONG! back to the dangerous roster pattern!
Lies..lies and lies....!Nothing new!
-5 or 6 days duty max : WRONG! back to 7 days duty.
-No night flight after minimum rest(when you land in the morning): WRONG! back to the dangerous roster pattern!
Lies..lies and lies....!Nothing new!
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LOC and others,
Start writing ASRs agaim=n, like we did before.
Helps much better than crying on a public forum!
Carjockey,
I have read your post. Maybe you should stick to cars in stead of wanting to write about aviation. You display the same amount of sensation-horny gibberish as R.Quest on CNN Business traveller. Rather amusing but far far far of from the truth!
Start writing ASRs agaim=n, like we did before.
Helps much better than crying on a public forum!
Carjockey,
I have read your post. Maybe you should stick to cars in stead of wanting to write about aviation. You display the same amount of sensation-horny gibberish as R.Quest on CNN Business traveller. Rather amusing but far far far of from the truth!
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Oh but it is indeed the truth! I consider that every person on that flight was at put at risk and I'm trying to find out why.
My own ME experience and my own instincts tell me that there was incompetence involved in the incidents on that flight, I understand how ME companies operate.
BTW, I hope you are not silly enough to actually work for this outfit are you?
Oh but it is indeed the truth! I consider that every person on that flight was at put at risk and I'm trying to find out why.
My own ME experience and my own instincts tell me that there was incompetence involved in the incidents on that flight, I understand how ME companies operate.
BTW, I hope you are not silly enough to actually work for this outfit are you?
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Car Jockey from your posts I can tell that you are not a seasonned traveller or very well aware of the dynamics involved blasting through a pressurized tube at insane altitudes and speeds
and that's quiet all right and nothing wrong with it. But please stop saying silly things like lives put in danger and other nonsense like that.
What you and your fellow passengers have experienced is turbulence and there is NOTHING or almost nothing (but I am not going to get too technical here) that a particular airline can do to avoid it from time to time.
If you do fly a lot between DOH and KUL, then you should be familiar with it. It's almost always bumpy over the Gulf of Bengal.
Some hystirical old lady or scared and clue less cabin crew are NOT good references.
You are absolutely correct that a clear and confident voice coming from the cockpit and explaining the situation would have been the appropriate thing to do.
I hope you didn't fly in or out of Doha on the night of 12th to 13th of April....you would have for sure sue the pilots for homicide and attempt to first degree mass murder....
and that's quiet all right and nothing wrong with it. But please stop saying silly things like lives put in danger and other nonsense like that.What you and your fellow passengers have experienced is turbulence and there is NOTHING or almost nothing (but I am not going to get too technical here) that a particular airline can do to avoid it from time to time.
If you do fly a lot between DOH and KUL, then you should be familiar with it. It's almost always bumpy over the Gulf of Bengal.
Some hystirical old lady or scared and clue less cabin crew are NOT good references.
You are absolutely correct that a clear and confident voice coming from the cockpit and explaining the situation would have been the appropriate thing to do.
I hope you didn't fly in or out of Doha on the night of 12th to 13th of April....you would have for sure sue the pilots for homicide and attempt to first degree mass murder....
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Shneider....what do you think i did...
For the rest not agree with you: (regarding the "article" of carjockey):
YES we are refuelling while boarding passenger(as he mentioned), YES we might have some smell of exhaust gas during and after engine start in the cabin(as he mentioned)..no everybody is pilot or working in aviation to known that...so yes it might surprise some passengers...BUT it Doesn't mean he is wrong!
For the rest i don't known ("up and down Flight..") i was not on board...
junglejett: indeed nice bumpy ride between the 12&13 that was a good one..,at least some "action" during approach&take off in Doha......
For the rest not agree with you: (regarding the "article" of carjockey):
YES we are refuelling while boarding passenger(as he mentioned), YES we might have some smell of exhaust gas during and after engine start in the cabin(as he mentioned)..no everybody is pilot or working in aviation to known that...so yes it might surprise some passengers...BUT it Doesn't mean he is wrong!
For the rest i don't known ("up and down Flight..") i was not on board...
junglejett: indeed nice bumpy ride between the 12&13 that was a good one..,at least some "action" during approach&take off in Doha......