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Joker Jett
Maybe I'm not such a seasoned traveller as yourself, but I've been jetting around here and there for the last 19 years or so.
I can tell you that was not ordinary turbulence, the whole thing was juddering and shaking man! People thought that they were going down, including me.
When I've been on bumpy flights before, the pilot or cabin crew let the passengers know and tell you that they are either going to try going around it, climb above it or whatever. On this flight no word at all from pilot or CC.
I can tell you that the sight of one of the cabin crew curled on the floor beside an exit does not inspire much confidence in the SLF...
Maybe I'm not such a seasoned traveller as yourself, but I've been jetting around here and there for the last 19 years or so.
I can tell you that was not ordinary turbulence, the whole thing was juddering and shaking man! People thought that they were going down, including me.
When I've been on bumpy flights before, the pilot or cabin crew let the passengers know and tell you that they are either going to try going around it, climb above it or whatever. On this flight no word at all from pilot or CC.
I can tell you that the sight of one of the cabin crew curled on the floor beside an exit does not inspire much confidence in the SLF...
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Jockey, give it up man!
You have no Idea what you are talking about! Choosh now and go play somewhere else please!
The flight experience turbiulence, thats all. And sometimes a pilot can not outclimb or circumnavigate the areas of turbulence!
So for you as self loading freight it is time to wake up and smell the roses: aviation can be uncomfortable, even dangerous, sometimes!
If you do not like that fact, stick to taking the train!
And when you fly, be thankfull there are two professionals in the front watching over you!
You have no Idea what you are talking about! Choosh now and go play somewhere else please!
The flight experience turbiulence, thats all. And sometimes a pilot can not outclimb or circumnavigate the areas of turbulence!
So for you as self loading freight it is time to wake up and smell the roses: aviation can be uncomfortable, even dangerous, sometimes!
If you do not like that fact, stick to taking the train!
And when you fly, be thankfull there are two professionals in the front watching over you!
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Jungle Jett
Well I got the impression that there was something unusual going on (or not going on) in the cockpit. It occurred to me that maybe a newbee pilot was getting some training in on this flight, or that there was a problem on the flight deck which the pilots were struggling with, or that the autopilot was flying the thing and the pilots were content to let the automation fly us through the (extremely) bumpy bits.
Schniedtrophy
Well you are touchy aren't you? Part of the problem in this case was that I was seriously beginning to doubt that there were any professional crew on the flight. The fact that there was no information forthcoming from the crew regarding our aerobatics did nothing to allay my doubts. OK?
Well I got the impression that there was something unusual going on (or not going on) in the cockpit. It occurred to me that maybe a newbee pilot was getting some training in on this flight, or that there was a problem on the flight deck which the pilots were struggling with, or that the autopilot was flying the thing and the pilots were content to let the automation fly us through the (extremely) bumpy bits.
Schniedtrophy
Well you are touchy aren't you? Part of the problem in this case was that I was seriously beginning to doubt that there were any professional crew on the flight. The fact that there was no information forthcoming from the crew regarding our aerobatics did nothing to allay my doubts. OK?
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Car,
no, I am not touchy.
I just have difficulties with people not knowing what they are talking about stirring up an aviation community, hereby displaying an unseen amount of arrogance, neglecting all the comments said about a remark they made in the first place and sticking no matter what to their own nonsense version of the truth!
And you last comment just has proven the above again!
Do you really think, honestly, that there is any instructor pilot that would allow a student to hand-fly an A330 at FL330 through a possible patch of bad weather?
Do you really believe that any time a flight encounters bad weather the pilot takes over controls from the autopilot?
It was JUST some turbulence, thats all! Get over it!
no, I am not touchy.
I just have difficulties with people not knowing what they are talking about stirring up an aviation community, hereby displaying an unseen amount of arrogance, neglecting all the comments said about a remark they made in the first place and sticking no matter what to their own nonsense version of the truth!
And you last comment just has proven the above again!
Do you really think, honestly, that there is any instructor pilot that would allow a student to hand-fly an A330 at FL330 through a possible patch of bad weather?
Do you really believe that any time a flight encounters bad weather the pilot takes over controls from the autopilot?
It was JUST some turbulence, thats all! Get over it!
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Schnieder Joke
Well you really are a complete t
r aren't you?
I posted the truth, not a 'version' of it.
How can questioning this incident be construed as arrogance on my part? What, if I may ask, is 'an unseen amount of arrogance'?
Perhaps you think that SLF's (paying customers) should simply accept without question any st that the airlines care to dish out to them?
Perhaps you think that SLF's are not entitled to an explanation (or at least some in flight reassurance) when the a/c performs some unscheduled aerobatics and the cabin crew panics?
That is an ME mentality my friend...
I assume from your posts that you are a pilot with QA?
If so then that's the straw that broke the camels back and it has convinced me NEVER to fly with with QA again, what kind of outfit are you running over there for fs sake?
Happy landings!
Well you really are a complete t
r aren't you?I posted the truth, not a 'version' of it.
How can questioning this incident be construed as arrogance on my part? What, if I may ask, is 'an unseen amount of arrogance'?
Perhaps you think that SLF's (paying customers) should simply accept without question any s
t that the airlines care to dish out to them?Perhaps you think that SLF's are not entitled to an explanation (or at least some in flight reassurance) when the a/c performs some unscheduled aerobatics and the cabin crew panics?
That is an ME mentality my friend...
I assume from your posts that you are a pilot with QA?
If so then that's the straw that broke the camels back and it has convinced me NEVER to fly with with QA again, what kind of outfit are you running over there for f
s sake?Happy landings!
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If what you are saying is true, than at least have the decency to accept the explanations from the professionals on this site.
I know you probably would love to believe that whatever you experienced is out-of-the-ordinary blablabla, but the fact to the matter is that it was NOT!
IT WAS JUST TURBULENCE!
Pilots are highly trained professionals, yes even at QR, and they all care 100% ABOUT THEIR AIRPLANE AND ITS PASSENGERS. So what on earth makes you believe any pilot would have deliberately brought the airplane in any kind of danger?
And even, for arguments sake, if we would assume that the pilots made a mistake, the airplane you where in is so advanced it would get itself out of any sort of stall situation like the one you described here.
So stop moaning, get over it and accept the explanation of the professionals!
I would not dare to go against you concerning jockeying a car!
MAN!
I know you probably would love to believe that whatever you experienced is out-of-the-ordinary blablabla, but the fact to the matter is that it was NOT!
IT WAS JUST TURBULENCE!
Pilots are highly trained professionals, yes even at QR, and they all care 100% ABOUT THEIR AIRPLANE AND ITS PASSENGERS. So what on earth makes you believe any pilot would have deliberately brought the airplane in any kind of danger?
And even, for arguments sake, if we would assume that the pilots made a mistake, the airplane you where in is so advanced it would get itself out of any sort of stall situation like the one you described here.
So stop moaning, get over it and accept the explanation of the professionals!
I would not dare to go against you concerning jockeying a car!
MAN!
Carjockey
It would seem you are SLF, and your experience was not a good one, but turbulence does occur. How it is handled by a crew varies, we ALWAYS try and avoid, but clear air turbulence is just that, you can't see it. Maybe the crew should have made a PA to reassure the PAX, I know I do when it gets bad. Perhaps they could not change their altitude, airways are busy to KUL, perhaps it was the same at all levels.
But please get over it, you have made your point.
EGGW.
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It would seem you are SLF, and your experience was not a good one, but turbulence does occur. How it is handled by a crew varies, we ALWAYS try and avoid, but clear air turbulence is just that, you can't see it. Maybe the crew should have made a PA to reassure the PAX, I know I do when it gets bad. Perhaps they could not change their altitude, airways are busy to KUL, perhaps it was the same at all levels.
But please get over it, you have made your point.
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Letter to the Moderator
Dear Moderator,
From the very first post, it is obvious that this thread is here just to stir up some s We all know the answers to that first post....
Then along came that idiotic moronic professional traveller with a vendetta agenda.
Don't you think that it is time to close this worthless thread?
Thank you,
JJ
From the very first post, it is obvious that this thread is here just to stir up some s
We all know the answers to that first post....Then along came that idiotic moronic professional traveller with a vendetta agenda.
Don't you think that it is time to close this worthless thread?
Thank you,
JJ
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This thread become Pathetic....!
Guys if we are pilots and sit in a cockpit, OR if you are a passenger(not related to aviation at all) sitting in the cabin, the vision we might have is TOTALLY DIFFERENT, in the cockpit We KNOWN what's going on, passengers sitting in the cabin DON'T, expecially when NO P.A is done...This for sure increase the fear for our pax...
Something that is abvious or normal for us ,might not look that obvious from a passenger point of view!
A simple P.A.from the cockpit would have reassure the passenger and solve this issue as car jockey mentioned.THAT'S IT.
Passenger are not less/more idiot than we are.
Guys if we are pilots and sit in a cockpit, OR if you are a passenger(not related to aviation at all) sitting in the cabin, the vision we might have is TOTALLY DIFFERENT, in the cockpit We KNOWN what's going on, passengers sitting in the cabin DON'T, expecially when NO P.A is done...This for sure increase the fear for our pax...
Something that is abvious or normal for us ,might not look that obvious from a passenger point of view!
A simple P.A.from the cockpit would have reassure the passenger and solve this issue as car jockey mentioned.THAT'S IT.
Passenger are not less/more idiot than we are.
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carjockey,
from pax point of view: i do understand that when turb is encountered ( moderate to severe) u feel like the plane is going upside down, the whole cabin is shaking,the pax are screaming or even praying loudly,the cabin crew are seated on the floor ( some may even cry--depends on experience level).
all this are NORMAL SITUATION especially around bay of bengal/tropical region/equatorial region as high level nasty clouds looms.
some planes hadle turb better but through experience the airbus family are not so turb friendly,however rest assured that the plane itself A330 has got systems that would not let the plane to go upside down or stall.
from pilots point of view: some turb can be detected,some cannot.the once that can be detected..the pilots would try to avoid..( some even avoid far too much).the turb that cannot be detected..the pilots would take the trained actions.( as pax..u dont have to know the actions).
as probably the pilots are busy taking actions..they assume the cabin crew team would take care of the cabin and the pax themself are vigilant enough to be seated with the seat belts on.
as the bay of bengal is about 3 hours crossing toward KUL, this situations would reoccur often and i am sure the pilots would have briefed the pax on the welcome announcement ( before the flight commenced..)
i would agree that another pa from the pilots would have been reassuring however rest assured that the pilots would have made the pa if it was deemed vital.
statistically there are more injuries to pax on board due turb than any other
flight situations.
i do hope this explanations would be satisfactory to you and turb encounter can happen to any airlines/aircrafts in the world.
thank you
from pax point of view: i do understand that when turb is encountered ( moderate to severe) u feel like the plane is going upside down, the whole cabin is shaking,the pax are screaming or even praying loudly,the cabin crew are seated on the floor ( some may even cry--depends on experience level).
all this are NORMAL SITUATION especially around bay of bengal/tropical region/equatorial region as high level nasty clouds looms.
some planes hadle turb better but through experience the airbus family are not so turb friendly,however rest assured that the plane itself A330 has got systems that would not let the plane to go upside down or stall.
from pilots point of view: some turb can be detected,some cannot.the once that can be detected..the pilots would try to avoid..( some even avoid far too much).the turb that cannot be detected..the pilots would take the trained actions.( as pax..u dont have to know the actions).
as probably the pilots are busy taking actions..they assume the cabin crew team would take care of the cabin and the pax themself are vigilant enough to be seated with the seat belts on.
as the bay of bengal is about 3 hours crossing toward KUL, this situations would reoccur often and i am sure the pilots would have briefed the pax on the welcome announcement ( before the flight commenced..)
i would agree that another pa from the pilots would have been reassuring however rest assured that the pilots would have made the pa if it was deemed vital.
statistically there are more injuries to pax on board due turb than any other
flight situations.
i do hope this explanations would be satisfactory to you and turb encounter can happen to any airlines/aircrafts in the world.
thank you
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I laughed so much at KRUGERFLAP'S post. Indeed it is all true.
But wait, my never ending dilemma is the CSs not CSDs, always CSs who walk into the briefing room and don't even smile. I had a nightmare of a flight with a CS who kept badgering the crew about drills and stuff during the flight! Poor lady must be miserable in her marriage (married to crew).
She was correcting me on my punctuation while writing something. She is from Asia,
and I am a native English speaker from the UK. Haha. What a joke.
Sometimes I wonder why Qatar Airways keeps their miserable yet loyal, standards and procedures crazed, non-interpersonal skilled workers who look for opportunities to make the crew unhappy. It's becoming ridiculous!
As for the memo's. Can they please stop. Everyday there is something in that darn pigeonhole. We are not machines. Al Maha, can you please get a life. The passengers know how to get to their freakin terminal for goodness sake.
Anyway, Qatar Airways will never be short of resignations....
Cheers
But wait, my never ending dilemma is the CSs not CSDs, always CSs who walk into the briefing room and don't even smile. I had a nightmare of a flight with a CS who kept badgering the crew about drills and stuff during the flight! Poor lady must be miserable in her marriage (married to crew).
She was correcting me on my punctuation while writing something. She is from Asia,
and I am a native English speaker from the UK. Haha. What a joke. Sometimes I wonder why Qatar Airways keeps their miserable yet loyal, standards and procedures crazed, non-interpersonal skilled workers who look for opportunities to make the crew unhappy. It's becoming ridiculous!
As for the memo's. Can they please stop. Everyday there is something in that darn pigeonhole. We are not machines. Al Maha, can you please get a life. The passengers know how to get to their freakin terminal for goodness sake.
Anyway, Qatar Airways will never be short of resignations....
Cheers
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Management techniques 101
Now retired and having some aviation experience I would like to just make a short comment. I have travelled on Qatar Airways quite a lot and sitting in club, found the service given by the cabin crew generally very good. The front of house looks good.
What gives me some worry is that having monitored this and other threads covering QA and the situation that seems to be the continuing war with the management and stress levels this must add to the aircrew flying the line. As we all know this is unhealthy and can affect critical decisions that need to be made. QA is a leading airline it’s expanding greatly and needs the support of its staff to succeed; I also understand the mafia style administration and management that can exist in your home area. However the base line is that to me if the situation is as reported a risk analyses and safety case report would show severe short comings. Maybe a return to business school and referring to Management techniques 101 would be helpful.
What gives me some worry is that having monitored this and other threads covering QA and the situation that seems to be the continuing war with the management and stress levels this must add to the aircrew flying the line. As we all know this is unhealthy and can affect critical decisions that need to be made. QA is a leading airline it’s expanding greatly and needs the support of its staff to succeed; I also understand the mafia style administration and management that can exist in your home area. However the base line is that to me if the situation is as reported a risk analyses and safety case report would show severe short comings. Maybe a return to business school and referring to Management techniques 101 would be helpful.
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As for the memo's. Can they please stop. Everyday there is something in that darn pigeonhole.
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Push back and Taxi with pax still standing
Was SLF a few days ago LHR-DOH-DXB.
330 LHR-DOH, eco full, club and first EMPTY. I paid 10 us$ for my ticket, so hope someone else paid slightly more.
Ex LHR, service was quite qood, in ECO, and in the 330 a reasonable amount of room, or would have been if the "kid" mnext to me could sit still long enough to take a breath.
The IFE was faulty, so initially only one ear with audio, and the hidden contol panel, FITTED to the arm rest side, was impossible to use, and there was no instructions in the IFE book.
Even the nice lady did not know how it worked.
Gave up on the audio, and as the level was so low, and only one ear. Resigned myself to looking at the airshow on the overheads. BUT the one map that they showed, was the globe with LON.........DOH, and no refresh, or data.
2 hours in DOH, plenty of time for the Priority Pass lounge.
Then the mad rush to board the onward 320 to DXB, eventually the doors closed, (loaded from rear, even with steps at the front...caused total chaos, as the big big big carry ons which arrived with the last bus load of pax could not be stowed, doors closed, and push back. perhaps 15 pax still not seated, engines started, and just as we started to taxi, the last one fell into his seat.
A very quick and efficient snack service, and just as the clear in was in hand, a "demand" from the FD all cabin crew take seats for landing NOW. Perhaps at 10k, feet.
Nice landing, and the E gate provided a prompt exit from the T1.
XXXXX airline I think not.
windy
330 LHR-DOH, eco full, club and first EMPTY. I paid 10 us$ for my ticket, so hope someone else paid slightly more.
Ex LHR, service was quite qood, in ECO, and in the 330 a reasonable amount of room, or would have been if the "kid" mnext to me could sit still long enough to take a breath.
The IFE was faulty, so initially only one ear with audio, and the hidden contol panel, FITTED to the arm rest side, was impossible to use, and there was no instructions in the IFE book.
Even the nice lady did not know how it worked.
Gave up on the audio, and as the level was so low, and only one ear. Resigned myself to looking at the airshow on the overheads. BUT the one map that they showed, was the globe with LON.........DOH, and no refresh, or data.
2 hours in DOH, plenty of time for the Priority Pass lounge.
Then the mad rush to board the onward 320 to DXB, eventually the doors closed, (loaded from rear, even with steps at the front...caused total chaos, as the big big big carry ons which arrived with the last bus load of pax could not be stowed, doors closed, and push back. perhaps 15 pax still not seated, engines started, and just as we started to taxi, the last one fell into his seat.
A very quick and efficient snack service, and just as the clear in was in hand, a "demand" from the FD all cabin crew take seats for landing NOW. Perhaps at 10k, feet.
Nice landing, and the E gate provided a prompt exit from the T1.
XXXXX airline I think not.
windy
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Hi!
I love the "Airline XX is terrible" posts!
This is what I have read, or heard, from pilots:
Qatar is bad and much worse than Emirates.
Emirates is about the worst airline in the world.
Cathay is HORRIBLE.
Northwest is not very good, try Delta.
Delta is bad, don't come here. Try Continental.
Continental is awful.
Alaska is horrible now.
UAL is awful and going bankrupt.
American is terrible.
BA is awful, employees working unpaid days!
FedEx is the biggest mistake I have made.
UPS is the biggest mistake I have made.
Saudi is horrible.
etc., etc.
There are lots of guys out of work who would love to fly for Qatar.
I see the Qatar planes pretty often, and it looks pretty good to me.
I am currently on a 165 day trip, with no schedule of any sort. We are ready to fly on any one of our 165 days. After 165 days, who knows what will happen? Will I have a job? If I come back, after paying for my own recurrent training, where will I be based? Will I be employed next month? Will my paycheck come anywhere close to on time??? No one knows the answers to these questions, including our top management.
Earth is a difficult place to live, with everything constantly changing, and calamity around the bend. All you can do is TRY!
cliff
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I love the "Airline XX is terrible" posts!
This is what I have read, or heard, from pilots:
Qatar is bad and much worse than Emirates.
Emirates is about the worst airline in the world.
Cathay is HORRIBLE.
Northwest is not very good, try Delta.
Delta is bad, don't come here. Try Continental.
Continental is awful.
Alaska is horrible now.
UAL is awful and going bankrupt.
American is terrible.
BA is awful, employees working unpaid days!
FedEx is the biggest mistake I have made.
UPS is the biggest mistake I have made.
Saudi is horrible.
etc., etc.
There are lots of guys out of work who would love to fly for Qatar.
I see the Qatar planes pretty often, and it looks pretty good to me.
I am currently on a 165 day trip, with no schedule of any sort. We are ready to fly on any one of our 165 days. After 165 days, who knows what will happen? Will I have a job? If I come back, after paying for my own recurrent training, where will I be based? Will I be employed next month? Will my paycheck come anywhere close to on time??? No one knows the answers to these questions, including our top management.
Earth is a difficult place to live, with everything constantly changing, and calamity around the bend. All you can do is TRY!
cliff
NBO